Rape? Women? Stripped? What really happened to Lara Logan?


By Témoris Grecko

I witnessed part of the mob attack against CBS’s Lara Logan at Cairo’s Tahrir square on the evening of Friday, February 11th. I was struck when I read CBS’s February 15th communiqué describing the attack as a “brutal and sustained sexual attack”, and attributing her rescue to “a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers.” This account does not fit with what I, and others, witnessed.

The TV network’s communiqué, which came rather late, as noted by Richard Cohen in The Washington Post, was promptly interpreted by many in the international media to mean rape, and in these terms it became a debate that soon adopted racist and sexist overtones. Egyptian and Muslim men are portrayed as wild beasts and Islam as an inherently violent religion. Attractive women, many commentators have said, should avoid taking on risky tasks, and if they insist, then they had it coming.

I was buying tea from a vendor in Tahrir with two friends, Amr Fekry, a 26 year old Egyptian call center agent, and Andi Walden, a San Francisco political science student. Then we heard the noise and saw the mob coming. A blonde woman, neatly dressed with a white coat, was being dragged and pushed. It didn’t seem to me she was panicking, but rather trying to control the situation. They passed us in an moment. They were yelling “agent!, agent!”

I tried to run to intervene, but some Egyptians I didn’t know prevented me from doing it.  There was nothing I could do and, as a foreign journalist, I’d surely end up being accused of being an agent too, and attacked. Fekry did go there and dissapeared into the crowd, 50 or 100 people strong.

Later I spoke with two young male activists who helped the person I later learned was Lara Logan (I didn’t know her before, I don’t usually follow US networks).  They were Omar El Shennawy, a 21 year old teacher of English, and Abdulrahman Elsayed, a 25 year old teacher of physical education. They said they had formed a human chain with other young men to protect Logan, and then delivered her to the Egyptian Museum military post.

When I read CBS’s story and it’s interpretation by other media outlets, I felt troubled.  It seemed misleading. “It didn’t make sense to me”, said Benjamin Starr, from Boston who arrived as a tourist on January 24th, and stayed to witness the uprising.  He also saw the mob pass by with Lara Logan. “I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe something happened in another part of the square, but from what I saw, she was being taken by men to the soldiers, and her clothes were not torn off. There were no women, I didn’t see a single woman in the crowd around her.”

Similarly, in hearing the CBS’s communiqué, Amr Fekry wrote on my Facebook wall: “It’s a little bit ridiculous what we hear that she was raped in Tahrir!! We were there! You remember she was about two meters away from us when we were buying tea! Maybe someone harassed her, but she ran and people protected her from being hit! I tried to go and help her but many people pushed me hard to go away as they thought I was trying to hit her. The only thing that some people only thought she was an Israeli spy!”

(Paragraph deleted here, please see note below.)

I went to ask Abdulrahman Elsayed, and he related a similar account. “I was in front of her, one metre away. This was after I saw her running with a man beside her. They stopped, maybe because someone blocked their way. We formed a human chain to protect her. Only young people, 10 or 15, all men. We surrounded her. People behind us were pushing and trying to grab her, someone might have touched her. I saw her top was uneven. There was a women and children’s tent (Tahrir sq. had become a campsite) and we tried to take her there, but we couldn’t because of the pressure. Someone had a taser and he held it high, making electric noises and threatening the attackers. He told them to move away. So we could go to the Museum’s military post and deliver her to the soldiers. Then we stood there blocking the people who tried to follow her. We brought her two doctors, first a young male, then an older female. The doctor and Lara were the only women around.”

The Wall Street Journal established that there had been no rape. But the CBS has so far refused to make any further clarification as to what actually happened, according to their story: “The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was ‘not a rape.’ A CBS News spokesman declined to comment beyond the statement”.

As of today, three days after the CBS’s communiqué was released, a hot-headed public debate on Egyptians, Muslims and women, rages on sparked by what may or may not have happened to Lara Logan in Tahrir Square. I didn´t witness what happened to Lara Logan before I saw the mob coming, nor did the other witnesses I have spoken with. But this attack raises a lot of questions that need to be answered by CBS, or, better, by Logan herself.

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NOTE: The person I was quoting in the deleted paragraph felt “shocked” by the way some people are commenting what this interviewee said. Therefore, this person asked me to erase this testimony because she didn’t want “my words to be used in other ways”.

UPDATE 12 MARCH 2011:

Agnes Rajacic, a Hungarian female journalist who covered the events and spent a lot of time in Tahrir sq., has an original take regarding Logan’s affaire (read her full article here):

“Recent reports about young Egyptians do reveal escalating social problems together with sexual frustration. But the question is whether, without showing evidence, we can suppose that young revolutionaries wanted to satisfy their sexual frustration at the same time as fighting and dying for freedom?

“After three weeks of wondering about this dark episode of the Egyptian revolution, I think that there are many ways to become a victim. We have the option to turn in anger against the whole Egyptian youth. Or — in a perhaps more sophisticated approach — we can disclose the details of our assault, hence assisting the investigation regarding those particular people who committed them. I invite Lara Logan to join me in choosing the second option.”

UPDATE MAY 5TH 2011:

Lara Logan spoke on TV about what happened in Tahrir. Find my stance here.

592 responses to “Rape? Women? Stripped? What really happened to Lara Logan?

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    • Marion I. Lipshutz

      “I didnt witness what happened to Lara Logan before I saw the mob coming”,

      That’s right! You did NOT witness what happened.

      I believe CBS News and I believe Lara Logan and she owes you nothing!
      This is typical sexist denial and blame-the-victim-ism when it comes to violence
      against women.

      Shame on you!

      • Can we please first set aside the type of attack and let go of the topic of sexual assault..Also, set aside accusations ppl started about the Muslim men and their abuse.. etc.. I’m positive Mrs Logan would not be happy to see that it has evolved to this.
        BTW b4 I forget, I see the time spent in the hospital story extended from 2 days, to 7 .. lets catch it before its a month.. she spent 1 day in the hospital.. Unclear why. Hospital admissions, could b 4 a no. of causes including observation.
        At this point it’s not about assault its about the attention. The negative attention it created for one very nicely executed revolution, and the attention it was about to take away from other journalists hard work, and sacrifice… Not to say this problem (Female assaults especially sexual) does not exist every where, especially in Egypt… and she was probably assaulted there. like many journalists that were victimized throughout this time. in Egypt.. The reported story By CBS, sounded more of an exaggeration and I’ll tell u why if u follow me.. plz don’t jump down my throat yet.
        Mrs Logan was one of the victims taken by Regime authority and intimidated, during the time all journalists were openly attacked.. Before the alleged incident took place.. She already had an article that was coming out about her ordeal with them. She described how she was sick and vomiting and it wasn’t b4 she vomited all over that the interrogators finally had IV treatment to help her. She then packed up and took a plane and left ..

        However, Her ordeal could not be worse to outshine some other horrific encounters by other journalists that caught much more media attention. Article was not as popular as the rest..
        However, she returned to Egypt though she was very much terrorized by what happened to her on the hands of the corrupt regime.. to be part of the final news about Egypt. At the time, it was expected the Mubarak would step down, he did, but it took him a day longer.

        This place was filled with millions of protesters, celebrating crowds, and probably some of the thug factors as well. But for her to be snatched and disappear, and then have bunch of women and some 20 soldiers come to her rescue, suddenly.. She has a crew that she works with would immediately alert all..I can imagine a few seconds or min.. Then the 20 soldiers who saved her .. could not grab at least ONE SINGLE rapist/ molester/ attacker… ONE.. No reports at all about the dilemma until 2 days later.. enough to say she was assaulted sexually but asking for privacy.. why not keep I all private it then? why so vague ..yet somewhat revealing??

      • Aaron Zultzer

        I agree with you Marion that denying what happened isn’t fair. The fact remains however that little evidence was given in support to Logan’s claim. I am not saying it didn’t happen (I for one believe something happened), but without factual evidence all that we have is a claim of an assult. I certainly hope that the hospital would provide doctor’s reports backing up that claim.

        What I find striking however is the fact that the stories do not add up (this is not denying her claims, just critically analyzing them). I find “rape” (however that is defined), to be somewhat counter intuative for those who understand the region and it’s psyche (I speak Arabic fluently, and have lived and researched Egypt).

        It did not come as a surprise to me at all that the claim of rape was withdrawn later.

        Given the size of the crowd, and the general sensitivity of the protesters regarding their international image, I did not think “rape” (as is normally defined) seemed very likely.

        Based on my knowledge of the region, I believe that Logan was probably harassed, treated with suspicion, threatened, gotten into some a quarrel which resulted into a large crowd gathering around her, yelling etc. until someone deffused the situation by taking her to the Millitary Policy.
        This must have been a horrific experience for her, not very different to physical rape.

        I wonder where her security escorts / bodyguards where during that time.
        Foriegn media agencies (I freelanced for the largest names stationed Egypt), never send out foreign reporters without adequate security.

        I hope we see factual evidence of Logan’s claim, this will certainly put an end to speculations. Without evidence (docs. reports, etc.), it will remain just that … a claim (which does not seem very plausible for those who understand the region).

      • @Aaron Zultzer

        There never was a statement of one thing happening to Logan retracted later. The CBS statement is verbatim to the nanosecond it was released, with the caveat of an update when she went home from the hospital. There is no retraction whatsoever. That is misconception.

        And Middle-Eastern cultural features might inform some nuance here, but there are very universal features of police-states autocracies, brutality being one example.

    • Thank You for setting the record straight.
      I was searching for an update on her and did
      not find it .

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  2. I definitely feel that given what’s been written about the incident thus far, the world is owed credible accounts of what actually happened. Given Ms. Logan’s prominence, this is a significant event; many impressions and conclusions are arising from it.

    But only serious injuries keep someone in a U.S. hospital for four days or so. Then again, maybe that’s also inaccurate.

    • one day..

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  3. Thanks for this. I prefer eye witness accounts to US media.

    • yourinnervoice

      Why is it that islamic men and men in general- focus on the covering up for the politics of this incident and don’t think for a second that a women of immense creditability has stated that she was raped? that she spent multiple days in the hospital over this. everything in this article speaks of a limited snapshot of when they saw her…

      is that how you guys convict in your court of laws? could you answer- why is the world would a women , who has always been showing/ talking about the plight of innocent muslims in these wars or struggles, would want to make up such a horrific story? after all that’s what you are implying here. Because lord knows you saw her for X minutes of the whole situation?

      • “… A women of immense creditability has stated that she was raped”

        Has she? Whether one believes she “should” or otherwise, I was not aware that Ms. Logan herself had provided any details of the incident at this juncture.

      • I don’t know whether Lara Logan has an immense creditability for some or many or not. Creditability does not create facts. And turning this into a religious and gender argument (“islamic men and men in general”) obscures the nature of the matter and is blatantly discriminatory. What if someone else says something about “Christian women and women in general”?

        So it is you who is convicting all men, and all Islamic men, without evidence, no arguments.

        I’m not convicting anyone in any court of laws. There are things me and others witnessed that indicate a situation different to the one described by the CBS. Did we reach a conclusion, a final verdict? No. Because apart from you, no one is putting any one on trial. This article states a number of facts and contrasts them with those stated by CBS. What’s wrong in that? If the CBS or Lara Logan herself want to correct, clarify or whatever, as I think they should, then we will all get a better understanding of the matter.

        Provided, of course, they want to be truthful. I don’t believe the Pope is infallible regardless hundreds of millions who claim he is. Why should I accept Logan’s or anyones infallibility for granted?

      • Concerned media

        What does it say about CBS’s credibility if they release a statement saying “sustained brutal sexual assault” that turns out not to be rape. Millions of people around the world have drawn conclusions about Egypt, Muslim men, women in conflict zones based on that statement. Is that credible?

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  4. Sorry, I am not buying your “eye witness” account. How in the hell do you explain that she ended up in the hospital for a week. If you want to cover up what happened go ahead. But you fool no one with half an ounce of brains. Why not just own up the the fact that Lara Logan was horrifically assulted. It seems to me that the cowards that did this to her are even more cowardly now that their inhuman deeds are seen clearly understood. And those that are complicite in a coverup such as this don’t deserve an ounce of respect but should be stepped on as if they were dirt themselves.

  5. Rapped?
    in Tahrir?
    in front of millions of people?
    and she had time after she was rapped to stand up and re-wear her clothes and run away well dressed through people
    what a perfect story!!!!

    • Surely everybody understands that “sexual assault” is no necessarily rape with a penis. It could be penetration with fingers or objects, grabbing of breasts or genitalia or butts. It could be masturbating on someone. Don’t think a vicious sexual assault hasn’t occurred just because a penis didn’t enter a vagina. That said, none of us know anything including you. You only know whatever fraction you saw. It doesn’t mean nothing else happened. She didn’t spend 5 days in the hospital for nothing. She surely didn’t put herself in the position of being in this horrific public eye just for fun.

      • and why did this happen for only Lara Logan?
        and why didn’t it happen during 18 days to any other girl including foreigner blonds?

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  6. I have a hard time believing your story. Logan was hospitalized for 5 days. According to reports, she had to be sedated after the attack and was flown to the US for 5 DAYS of hospitalization. Here in the US, you don’t stay in the hospital for 5 days unless something is seriously, seriously wrong. Many operations are done on out-patient or 1 night stays.

    Perhaps you didn’t hear of this, but her entire group was attacked. Her security guards were beaten as were her camera crew. One security guard had his hand broken.

    I am saddened that so many Westerners have used this incident to fuel more Islamophobia. That is wrong, and I say so whenever and wherever I encounter it.

    But it is just as wrong to doubt a woman’s account of her attack. I doubt Logan would have released that she was sexually assaulted had there not been so many witnesses. In this instance, there was no way for her to hide that she was sexually assaulted (we do not know what form of sexual assault Logan suffered.)

    Finally, let’s remember that Logan has been an excellent voice that has helped educate the western world about the sheer hell of the Iraqi and Afghan war. She advocates for the civilians who are wounded/killed in these wars. She has repeatedly told Americans that they need to smarten up about the realities of war and that we need to realize that America’s actions in the mid-east have come at the cost of many civilian lives and many civilian’s well-being.

  7. It’s not hard at all. An anti Islamic story in the press suits the American just fine given their hypocrisy in supporting dictators. It deflects attention from their own misdeeds. The American dream is the illusion. Few inside can see out.

  8. well you are at the complete opposite spectrum of what has been reported and stated by Lara herself so what im gonna do is believe the statement of Lara Logan herself when she says there was an assault of sexual nature and a beating.I think as much as the US submedia is trying to elevate this to almost murder to serve their agenda of demonizing the Egyptian men on the other hand you’re clearly trying to downplay the whole thing.
    So the truth as usual is somewhere in the middle.
    Which means the stories about a 3 hours gangrape are probaly false and what you’re saying is also probably not accurate.
    Lara Logan has been reporting from war zone for a decade dude she is no softie and she clearly wouldnt have left the country in a hurry to go right to an hospital for 5 days if nothing had happened to her thats just impossible.
    I mean shes been dodging bullets in afghanistan and Irak you really think she woulda left because of a little groping?
    That makes no sense.
    So clearly there was a serious attack thats for sure.

    • Concerned media

      Dodging bullets in Afghanistan and Iraq? You really buy the myth. She spent most of her career as an embedded reporter, and publicly railed against the Rolling Stone journalist, who did a great story on Stanley McCrystal leading to his resignation, because he never served his country. It was probably a serious and scary attack. There were hundreds against journalists. It was probably not a brutal sustained sexual assault as CBS reports.

  9. Unless Langley/Virginia found a way to inflate the incident. US media don’t report the news. Embedding is an oxymoron. It’s well documented the influence of the CIA and the security industrial complex in journalism and every….well…you get the drift.

    But you may be right about the middle way. So I’ll keep an open mind.

    • “Unless Langley/Virginia found a way to inflate the incident.”

      Not an unfair comment. Just consider Jessica Lynch.

      But I don’t think it applies in this situation. It appears that the press handled communications on this from the beginning, not the military.

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  10. If anyone here follows Lara Logan and believes what she says or what others say she says, that’s your business. I didn’t know her before and I have no particular feelings about her. Also I don’t have reasons to believe that she will speak with the truth or not. That’s not for me tu judge.

    I’m providing facts and witnesses accounts. If anyone here feels offended for that, it’s still not my problem. Facts are facts.

    Regarding this “you are at the complete opposite spectrum of what has been reported and stated by Lara herself”… well, nothing has been “reported”… the only one who is reporting from the ground is me, as far as I know. All what’s been said so far is based on the CBS communiqué and a few leaks. She hasn’t said anything publicly. I hope she will clarify exactly what happened soon. All the time she’s taking to come out and speak, and the time the CBS is delaying a much-needed clarification, means that the “rape” and “unhelpful men” hypothesis is becoming the media truth just by repetition. All arguments go around it.

    The time she’s supposed to have spent in hospital doesn’t prove anything to me. I find it strange that she could take “the first flight next morning” all the way to the USA and only then go to hospital.

    • You need to read more about Logan’s career.

      Regarding the “flight the next morning”. Logan was on a plane just a few hours after the attack. The attack happened very late on Feb 11th. According to reports, she was on a plane within a few hours of the attack.

      Are you under the impression that Logan went to her hotel room, slept all night, went to the airport and waited for a commercial flight? That isn’t how this happened. Logan was taken to the hotel where a doctor treated her on an emergency basis and had to sedate her. She was on a plane a few hours later. She wasn’t hanging out for the next commercial flight.

      I haven’t seen a single rape report in the MSM. The MSM has ALWAYS used the term “SEXUAL ASSAULT”. What is said on the millions of BLOGS about this is irrelevant. Show me a single MSM report that claims Logan was raped.

      Finally, all of your witness accounts are vague, including yours. There were over 200 people in the square at the time. Your reports are all saying that folks got a glimpse of Logan. A brief glimpse. Show me a report of someone who saw Logan in the square for 15-20 mins and I will take that acct more seriously.

      Finally, why do you think that Logan should go on record at this time? Her employer issued a statement. Her security team was injured. Logan’s husband was in Egypt with her and reported to CBS. Why do you think an assault victim should go on record about her sexual assault at all, let alone so soon?

      CBS says that it released a statement only because they learned that other news outlets were going to report on this. This tells me that this story is more accurate than you want to believe. How did other news agencies learn of this? Eyewitnesses. 20 Egyptian soldiers.

      • Witness accounts? You only briefly saw her for a couple seconds according to your witness account. The rest is second hand information from unknown sources, which no one with any intelligence actually believes. Not to state the obvious, but you seeing her for a couple seconds does not make you an authority on anything. You clearly have an agenda of downplaying her assault and casting doubt on the entire attack. If anything, the more you talk, the more you discredit yourself thanks to your rampant misogyny and high level of ignorance. Lara Logan owes you nothing. No explanation, no story, nothing.

        This story about news sources reporting that Logan was raped and this or that becoming “media truth” is your own invention. No real news source has stated anything but the quote “sexual assault.” The only issue is the vague wording of the CBS statement, which has allowed creepy bloggers like yourself to take liberties with the facts of the assault. That has nothing to do with Lara Logan. Lara Logan did not make the statement, her employer CBS did. If you have a problem with CBS’s choice of wording, then contact CBS and complain. But, of course, you will just continue your creepy misogynist blog making false claims that you witnessed the assault and that women lie about being sexually assaulted.

  11. I think there’s an old folk saying that goes something like this: a man (or woman!) who stands by the elephant’s trunk thinks that the animal has a big nose. The man (or woman) who stands by the elephant’s foot thinks the animal has a big foot. The man or woman who has the misfortunate of standing behind the elephant sees only a thin tail.

    I’m not saying you’re lying — but your witness account is only of what *you* saw. The accounts of her attack range from “brutal and sustained sexual assault” (which can include rape, but does not have to) of roughly 30 minutes to a wild orgy of rape and beatings that may have lasted up to three hours. *WE DO NOT KNOW AND THE DETAILS ARE NOT OUR BUSINESS UNLESS AND UNTIL MS. LOGAN HERSELF CARES TO SHARE THEM.* It does stand out to me, however, that she remained hospitalized for four days after her return to the US. With current US health care policy stingy for even those with insurance, that’s a fairly good indicator that *something* rather brutal occurred.

    For her sake, I’d love to learn I was wrong.

    I do agree that irresponsible reporting and, in some cases, social reaction, has painted this into a xenophobic (depending on the course, anti-American OR anti-Muslim) story and, sadly, into a blame-the-victim story.

    *whatever* happened to her is neither “typical” or “representative” of Islam, nor is it justifiable by any of the following factors: her gender, her appearance, her clothing, the time of day.

    The only thing that perhaps does play into *any* attack in a mob setting is the mob itself. Similar, equally horrific and unjustifiable, attacks on women (and men) have happened in the US (Woodstock 1999 where women were raped in the mosh pits while others stood by, for instance). The events of Puerto Rican day a few years back are another example.

    But, whatever did happen — is there any chance that true justice will be served?

    That, I doubt and I am unapologetically critical of that reality.

    I wish Ms. Logan a speedy recovery and hope she somehow feels *support* from all of us, who, from behind the safety of our computers, feel the need to opine about these events.

    • Concerned media

      What happened to Logan is of concern certaintly, and it’s a crime. But what is of equal concern is how it was reported and if those reports are accurate or sensationalized. From what has emerged through leaks and eyewitnesses, it appears that the reports are sensationalized. That is a serious crime as well.

    • Sad that anyone here thinks they have the vision to question Lara’s or even CBS’ report. Yes I am an American, and far removed from Egypt. My heart was with the Egyptian people, and I was greatly disapoointed by the reports from CBS of the treatment of Lara Logan during the “celebration”. Clearly my love for my Egyptian brothers is much deeper than their’s toward Americans, and your anti-American and anti American media garbage on here only prove my point. You won’t change anyone’s opinion with the hostile crap you are reporting here.

  12. emr wrote: “*WE DO NOT KNOW AND THE DETAILS ARE NOT OUR BUSINESS UNLESS AND UNTIL MS. LOGAN HERSELF CARES TO SHARE THEM.*

    Someone (the CBS, Logan, or both) decided to release a very ambiguous communiqué that has been interpreted in a wrong way. I believe it is their professional duty to clarify what exactly happened. In the way they put it, a nation and a religion are being defamed and this is affecting us all, as it is contributing to poison our human relations. They have chose to remain silent. I wonder why.

    So it is my business, at least, to express what I know and reported, because I saw part of the incident and what the CBS said doesn’t match the facts.

    • CBS did so because other news agencies were going to report this and that info came to the attention of CBS. CBS could either allow other agencies to hypothesize about this event (perhaps with eyewitness testimony) or issue a statement themselves. Thus, they HAD TO ISSUE A STATEMENT.

      You just don’t get how injured Logan was. You also have no clue regarding the physical and psychological effects of such an assault.

      Here is what I am seeing as I read your post and responses to comments. You are more concerned with the story than you are about a woman attacked. I was shocked that CBS gave as much info as they did. American media tries to keep sexual assault victims anonymous. That was impossible in this case. CBS made it clear that they were hoping to not report this at all. But other media outlets forced their hands.

      Exactly what do you think Logan should do? Give an exclusive interview detailing her vicious attack?

      I recommend that you do a little reading about the psychological effects of attacks such as this one. Even if there was no sexual attack, Logan was viciously beaten. To expect a victim of such an attack to issue a statement so soon after the attack shows how little you understand the effects of violence on its victims.

  13. There again you don’t address the substance of his facts versus your metaphorical elephant that is in the room being touched up.

    As for safety behind computer keyboards, your name is anonymous as opposed to the author and myself.

    America’s fair maiden ravaged by savage locals is exactly the kind of narrative that is adumbrated in the American Dream. When Disney says they’re ‘capturing your imagination’ they’re not kidding. A matter that is well documented.

    I’m quite happy to provide scholarly accounts of dreamed up stories to evoke the sort of knee jerk response from American gullibility that inculcates crimes of magnitude that dwarf anything described here. Iraq is a good starting point.

    However as you say you weren’t there (as opposed to the author) and quite by chance are batting for the home side despite a number of extremely serious question marks.

    I’m always weary of how often gullibility works in the US. The notion of being manipulated is inconceivable….for now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

    • While Lara works for an American news agency, last I checked, she is NOT American.

    • “Does she address the sheeple”? Yes. She has also repeatedly told Americans that their media is NOT adequately covering the realities of war or of international issues.

      Logan reports for US AND international (BBC) media organizations.

    • Charles, don’t tell me that you are using wikipedia as a “scholarly” source or for providing a “scholarly account”.

      The fact that you call Logan “America’s fair maiden” tells me you could care less about a woman being attacked. You blame Logan for an attack that you claim has been sensationalized.

      Despicable.

  14. Charles — In this era of no privacy, I think mine is worth keeping. I also agree, by the way, that the story can lapse into the “woman ravaged by mob of native men”. BUT — what if we learn that that is indeed what happened? Do we cover it up just because it’s so ugly and we like to appear politically correct? I’ve been very careful in my comments precisely because the details in various reports are at odds. The “truth” is not clear.

    As for whether or not CBS (and other American news outlets) have an obligation to tell us *exactly* what happened — I’d say only if Ms. Logan feels comfortable sharing the details. It’s her body, her experience.

    You seem to skip over entirely the very valid point that it’s unlikely any American hospital would keep a patient 4 days without cause.
    EMR

    • If we finally learn that Lara Logan was indeed raped by a multitude of Muslim men, within which no male soul would feel obliged to lend a helping hand, then so be it, and what a sad world we have.

      If this happens, all what has been described here will fit in the whole story –how was it that in that certain moment she had all her clothes in place and was helped by Egyptian men not mentioned in the CBS’ first account. There’s probably an explanation. I won’t believe a story, though, that keeps the holes I’ve mentioned here unexplained.

      And yet, the same question goes to you, emr: What if we learn that CBS wasn’t telling us the whole story and that she wasn’t raped, and that she was indeed rescued by men and not women? Will you then say that trying to figure out what actually happened, as we are doing here, was wrong? If there are lies in this story, and because of that Egyptians and Muslims are being insulted the way they are, then we’ll have to say what a sad world we have… but not only because the ruthless mob is out there in the squares… but because it is ruling mainstream media.

      The best outcome would be a clarification of the incidents with a full explanation, acknowledging the special conditions that were taking place in Tahrir square that night and that a horrible incident like this one does not describe a people, a nation and a religion. We can only hope this is what we get.

  15. Something very bad happened to Lara Logan, something much worse than what the witnesses saw as described. One thing that can be established is Lara Logan spent several days in a hospital. Unless you’re really hurt, that doesn’t make any sense.

    Second is Lara Logan herself. Like her or hate her or whatever, Logan’s not exactly shrinking violet. She’s been smashed up in Baghdad before, indeed was aggressively detained by Egyptian security services earlier that week, and yet came right back. Whatever happened to her on Feb. 11th took her out of her work, routine, and the way she typically goes about things completely.

    So, its nice to actually see accounts of the situation from people who were there, amazing that no one else – American media included – have such a disinterest in what actually happened. But the witnesses above missed some details, because – nitpicking over lurid details aside – Lara Logan got absolutely smashed that night in that square. There’s too much anecdotally going on there to assume otherwise.

  16. Again: hospital equals evidence of nothing.

    It’d be very interesting if more reporters had gone to research what happened. But they didn’t. You may wonder why. Sustained anecdote is evidence. That’s what journalism is made of. It’s the only evidence available, so far, as the only other information is this ambiguous CBS’ communiqué. Maybe something happened after she was delivered to the soldiers and this is what CBS is really talking about? Was she attacked twice in the same night? Perhaps. Let’s see if they tell us.

    • Going to a hospital for days and days – especially for a very known quantity like Lara Logan – is bizarre on its own. Now, from what you saw, there was some group of people messing with her in an aggressive manner, and when you tried to intervene they stopped you because – I am assuming here – they wanted to keep messing with her unimpeded. Then she disappeared in a crowd.

      I am curious in something. Since you were there, on-the-ground, how would you go about tracking down what happened there? For instance, I imagine footage can be obtained. That now-infamous picture of her has a large banner behind it. That banner can be identified I bet in macro-shots of the square around that time. Basic question: What end of the square did you see her get shuffled by? North, south, east…? The middle? Once that general region is identified, one can narrow it down further by finding that banner behind Logan. Then perhaps footage can be gleamed corroborating either a melee or something more like what you describe? It is interesting forensic query that you have answer for.

      • I don’t “have” to answer anything. But I’ll be polite. What they call Tahrir sq is a lot bigger than the proper roundabout, many avenues meet there and the protester-held area advanced in almost every direction a few hundred metres. One of them starts comes from the roundabout to the Egyptian Museum, passing by its right-hand side, where a military post was established to protect it during the uprising.

        They set up a disorganised camp there, lots of tents everywhere. And stages, flags, banners, et cetera. This is all gone. Both the army and the protesters made a point of cleaning everything up to signal the new times come.

        It was difficult for me and others to recognise the square without the camp. And as there are no more banners, it’d be difficult to figure out where this was.

        About footage, I don’t know who was shooting there, if they were. CBS was, I guess, so they might have something. If they do, I hope they’ll release it.

      • And no, the group harassing her did not stop me, but other Egyptians who were buying tea as we were and tried to prevent me from being attacked as well, because I’m a foreigner and could be accused of being an agent like she was.

    • Did you actually just say “I don’t have to answer anything?”!!!!!!!!!!

      OMG. You are whining about Logan not coming out (9 days after getting out of the hospital) and sharing her experience of a vicious attack while you whine about being questioned about your own account of your story?

      That is unbelievable. I actually went back to reread your comment before posting to make sure I didn’t misread your comment. I didn’t.

      So, you say you were an eyewitness (which I have not questioned) but are now ticked because people want more info from you. While the entire premise of your blog post is that we can’t take CBS too seriously because of the vagueness of their report.

      Please tell me that you see how ridiculously hypocritical that is, Temoris. You inserted yourself into this story, into this event. Hold yourself to the standard you want everyone to hold Logan to!

  17. I think my verbiage was a little confusing. I wasn’t suggesting you “have to” answer what I asked, merely that you possessed valuable information, you “have” an answer, not that you “have” to give it. Sorry about the miscommunication.

    Anyways on footage, there were hundreds of media-outlets there, to say nothing of the thousands and thousands of cellphones undoubtedly snapping away and recording movies. One thing I noticed about your observation of Lara Logan is you didn’t see a TV crew following her when you saw what you did. So I am assuming – following CBS’s narrative anyways – what you saw was ‘after she got separated from her team’ – as CBS put it.

    But back to figuring out where in the square you saw her. You saw her at the tent-city close to the museum? Would you say that was closest landmark? Like soccer-pitch away from museum or more?

  18. The only bizarre dynamic would be if the American public called their manipulative media out.

    http://bit.ly/faVINn (Chomsky: manufacturing consent)

    No verifiable persons including the shrill phantom voices here have come forward with hard evidence of the attack such as photographs of brusing, semen samples an ersatz Larry King interview followed by the de rigeur ‘yes but how did it feel’ moment.

    A job for Wikileaks to get the truth out?

    Its all unraveling for spoon fed United States….and the string pullers.

    I wonder where future US media lies?

    http://bit.ly/dK5iki

    • You know, I actually got curious about the where of Lara Logan in that square. And its EASY to figure out from photos. Kind of surprised how easy it is. Check this out:

      http://ipolitics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/00145507.jpg

      Its a big picture of the square. Compare the banners there with the one behind Lara Logan in the now-infamous picture released by CBS. You will quickly realize that same banner in question in the big picture I linked to marks the top-border of the tent-city circle right below the exploding firework. The big picture was taken from the building barely visible behind the banner in the ubiquitous Lara Logan picture.

      Undoubtedly there is video footage – probably good HD footage – shot from that building during whatever transpired with Logan was going down. Now, I’m kinda at work so I should probably go back to work but that’s where she was ‘moments’ before whatever went down went down.

      And on side-note, I can’t believe how easy this was. Took ten minutes and a brain.

      • Thanks for the pic, Paul. Just one thing; while that may tell us where she was moments before the attack, it doesn’t tell us where the attack actually happened. But your pic is quite helpful. Having a sense of scale is helpful to me. Thanks.

  19. So I misunderstood, I’m sorry.

    There was a lot of media but the multitude was hundreds of thousands. It’s easy to feel quite lonely in the crowd. I think it’s very likely that someone took pics or video with their mobiles, but not anyone I know.

    The tent city was a dismembered octopus but I’d say that we were about 50 metres from the military post when this happened. i say we because the crowd was moving towards it.

    And no, I didn’t see Logan’s crew, or at least anyone I could identify as such.

    • See my comments above. Do you know of any good HD footage of the square when Mubarak went down? Could you link to it if you’ve got that handy, would much appreciate it.

      • You are busy and I am too. I’m trying to figure out how to get into Libya and that’s kinda more important to me at the moment. That banner was at the edge not of the tent city, but of its core, the roundabout. From that point, they must have walked or run by the avenue towards the museum.
        It was the biggest banner in English and a point of reference for us. Huge and not difficult to find.

  20. Lara Logan left Egypt in the first morning flight, according to CBS. Did she go to the police or somehow raised a complaint before the Egyptian government? Did she provide any evidence? I think Charles is making a relevant point.

    • I think Lara Logan went to hotel-airport-NYC hospice because there was obvious breakdown of security. Greg Walcott was FOX reporter, he got holy-living crap kicked out of him in earlier melee, found ambulance. They took him to hospital then security goons showed up and it was blindfold-in-the-box shtick for about six hours. With that kind of stuff going on to reporters already, I wouldn’t take a mangled Logan to the hospital and risk that.

      Logan herself might also have had a say in what-where-next and after something like that happening – and I believe she got jacked something fierce – I’d want the next available flight out myself.

      That’s one of the reasons I don’t buy into this conspiracy-thing. Lara Logan’s a rational person, and she acted pretty rationally in getting out of there and back to her family soon as possible.

  21. Account seem credible

    There’s supposedly video of the attack:

    search piratebay Lara Logan egypt Sex assault rape.avi

    The details are being read by a guy here, including what’s been written in Arabic newspapers:

    These details are even worse than what CBS originally claimed. If they’re true, you’re doing everyone a great disservice by your blog post full of erroneous remarks.

    • This story smacks of voyeurism, not actual information. I don’t believe it and don’t find the file anyways. If such videos were out, they would go viral with the perverts in minutes and THAT would be the new culture-war story, we’d all know about it because some talking head would be pontificating on it.

  22. Account seem credible

    Here’s an article claiming to be quoting Logan herself, and her account certainly does not gel with yours.

    http://wizbangpop.com/2011/02/20/cbs-reporter-lara-logan-explains-her-attack-in-egypt/

  23. Lot’s of “supposedly” and “claiming” words here.

    I’m convinced this is disinfo given the anonymity of the comments.

    http://bit.ly/e4cabK (more useful).

  24. Man you’re not making any sense at all…
    Lara Logan would never help manufacture a rape story in Egypt that would go against EVERYTHING she’s ever done in her career….. wtf are you talkin about?

    And even tho i believe Temoris when he says thats what he saw it was obviously after the attack…why are you wondering why she had clothes on?Of course if her clothes were ripped she would try to cover up as much as possible while running back after the attack….and you didnt see her crew which means that things had already went down.Now if a group a women helped saved her i doesnt mean theyre gonna follow her all the way to the tents after it just means that good men relayed them to avoid putting them in harms way..
    Look all im saying is you witnessed the very end of the situation and that Lara Logan herself said she was attacked…a woman whos on YOUR side and who didnt say ANYTHING about muslims or whatever even tho obviously she wasnt attacked by a bunch of white guys….
    Personnaly i despise racists people and i understand that the way some nasty bloggers are spinning the story to make Egyptians men look like demons is disgusting and i agree completely.
    But looking at the picture there is like hundreds of thousands of people there
    so a bunch of pigs targetting a blonde reporter and surrounding her and that other people dont realise whats going on for 20-30 min is not completely unreasonnable
    its not like it never happened before in the history of the planet dude
    Trying to imply Lara Logan would make this up or embellish it doesnt make any sense at all and to be honest is a little insulting for women and sex assault victims.
    She is the chief foreing affairs correspondent for cbs not some blonde chick trying to make a score what would she have to gain?

    seriously you’re not making any sense at all

    have some respect

    • That is my thought as well…Given the fact she did not have her crew, and the guys who were with her were….edgy…about others getting close, it is entirely possible what Temoris witnessed was after-the-fact. Temoris, I will note that one of your witnesses said “her top was uneven” According to CBS, all the crew was wearing a jacket, shirt, and khaki pants. Is it possible that someone gave her clothes to cover herself after she was rescued, and it was “beat feet to the troops?” What your eyewitnesses saw was the end, not the beginning or middle.

      Considering that according to the hotel she was staying at, their physician treated her for injuries – the Four Seasons could easily refute that, if it was not accurate. She also did not take the “next plane in the morning.” She was evacuated within 2 hours of the assault.

      • I’m sure Lara Logan is proud to have people who really trust her. That’s nice.

        I didn’t know her before and I, though I’d also like to give her the benefit of the doubt, I’m still finding the account given far from what I saw.

        And these speculations (what the hotel people may or not have done, the hospital situation and all this) will remain as such as long as accurate information is provided on her side.

        What I’m stating in this post, if you read it again, is that what me and other people witnessed doesn’t match with what the CBS says. There is no crime in that. And I’m hoping they will clarify or correct this.

        Their failure in doing it so far has helped to spark the racist undertones you have seen, which I think is damaging a lot of people and further undermining our chances of mutual understanding.

        And Benny, please, save your admonitions for another occasion. I have respect.

        PS: The top I saw her with is the same as in the well-known picture, taken –it looks so– just before all this started. No jacket, no khaki pants (she was meant to be on your screen neatly dressed).

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  26. I’im reading a lot of different stories…..what is real, what isn’t?
    http://www.reallionnaire.blogspot.com

  27. Ok guys, I have to leave you for a while. I’m going to a difficult area in this Sahara desert, lots of conflict there and probably very little internet access. I’ll log in as soon as I can to read your comments.

  28. Concerned media

    What people need to keep in mind is that what matters are facts. All we have is a lurid press release from CBS which suggests viscous rape. Then we learn that it wasn’t rape. There were “bite marks” which we later learn are not bite marks but pinch marks. She was “beaten with flag poles” but the flag poles in Tahrir were small plastic and hollow. She was rescued by women, but we later learn through credible eyewitnesses that there were no women. The story was clearly sensationalized, but why? Was this Logan’s decision? CBS? The facts of exactly what happened need to come out, but for some unknown reason CBS and Logan aren’t talking. Releasing a sensational press release and hiding is not good or credible journalism.

    • CBS press release doesn’t seem sensational to me. It seems very belabored to account for any possible thing, and I suspect why.

      I am guessing powers-that-be at CBS were not stupid, and assumed there would be video of what happened to Lara Logan going viral at some point, and I think they were really scared of that because its probably pretty disturbing. (though I suspect what happened to be nothing like video-fat-boy’s touching-time-fantasy farther up thread). The CBS statements describe what happened as ambiguously as possible no matter what is on that proverbial video, or what other news-outlets may-or-may not have. Every word in it designed for wide latitude.

      But the absence of such footage is peculiar given the zillion widgets recording video. Now knowing where in the square she was, I bet the security system on the Ritz Carlton hundred yards away saw what happened, much less all the cellphones. I think reason there aren’t sad videos of bad things is because the people who did it know its their ass if they get caught and they’re on the video. Because no matter what happened to Lara Logan that night in the square, there’s videos and pictures of it – at least incidentally – guaranteed. Statistically impossible not to damn near.

      And frankly that’s what I’m interested in is who did this to Lara Logan, and catching them. Those goons lashed out and really hurt somebody in a really public way, foolishly staining what by all accounts I’ve seen is a great moment in modern history. It’s also agitated a hornet’s-nest of fundie idiocy in the United States that is already having negative consequences on the body-politic there and in the general Western world against Islam, Arabs, etc. All that trouble and more to come for some cheap thrills on a terrified woman you’ve never even met for twenty minutes? Just stupid, terrible crime by stupid, terrible criminals.

      Holy crap I went on a rant. I gotta go to bed. Good luck to Libya Temoris.

  29. If you’d like to take a few moments to familiarize yourself with Lara Logan and why so many respect her work, these videos should highlight her career and personality quite well. The first is her acceptance speech for an award, the second includes footage of her on the ground and under fire in Iraq, the third is an interview with John Stewart, the fourth is an encyclopedia entry and the fifth is an intimate interview in which she speaks about her concern for her children.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTEcsJHv_sU

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Logan

    The most recent accounts of the assault:

    “According to one source, reported in The Sunday Times newspaper, sensitive parts of her body were covered in red marks that were originally thought to have been bite marks. After further examination they were revealed to be from aggressive pinching. It has also been revealed that she was stripped, punched and slapped by the crowd, which was labelling her a spy and chanting ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jew’ as they beat her. And medical sources have revealed that marks on her body were consistent with being whipped and beaten with the makeshift poles that were used to fly flags during the demonstration.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358944/Lara-Logan-attack-Stripped-punched-whipped-flag-poles.html#ixzz1EmCGkjuo

    “Sources say Logan escaped being raped due to the intervention of a group of Egyptian women, who protected her, and 20 Egyptian soldiers, who rescued her from the mob.

    “Lara is getting better daily,” says a friend. “The psychological trauma is as bad as, if not worse than, the physical injuries. She might talk about it at sometime in the future, but not now.”

    After the assault, Logan, 39, was treated by a doctor at a Four Seasons hotel in Cairo and then flown out of Egypt to a New York hospital. She was released from the hospital Feb. 16 and taken home, where she has been resting ever since.””

    http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-fitness-and-health-in-national/lara-logan-the-shocking-details-of-her-brutal-sexual-assault-egypt

    “South Africa’s Independent Online reports that Lara told relative in her native Durban, South Africa of her “darkest nightmare” reportedly saying, “The attack was so sudden, I had no chance of escaping.”

    Fortunately, Lara reportedly told colleagues a group of Egyptian women protected her from being raped by throwing themselves on top of her.

    Twenty soldiers then escorted her to the Four Seasons hotel where she was staying.”

    http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/02/lara-logan-details-emerge-of-assault-in-egypt/

  30. Here’s some facts on how the CIA manipulates the American consciousness and conscience from Rolling Stone. Same joint that has Taiibi standing up for real Americans. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html

  31. Temoris,

    I’ve no doubt that what you are reporting here is exactly what you saw from your perspective. But, like others have said, until I hear otherwise from the woman herself or official channels I’m going to have to assume what you saw took place after the attack.

    It is entirely possible that her clothing was recovered from the ground and returned to her or that her clothing was not removed entirely in the first place but pulled up/down to reveal her body. I’m assuming they pulled her pants down so they could whip her with the flagpoles which, from the footage I’ve seen of the demonstrations, ranged in size from pencil thin plastic wands to thick wooden broomsticks, most beig about as long as a man’s arm and maybe 3/4 of an inch thick and wooden (sturdy enough to work as a switch, for sure).

    Her body is said to have been covered in welts and bruises, some consistent with being whipped and some from aggressive pinching. This information is said to have come from a medical source. I think, for that sort of abuse to happen, her body had to have been exposed but, again, her clothing could have been recovered or may not have been removed entirely.

    As stated in the last two articles I quoted above, a group of Egyptian women intervened and threw their bodies on top of Lara. Then, twenty soldiers escorted her to the Four Seasons hotel. The women aren’t said to have accompanied her to the hotel, only the soldiers. You haven’t mentioned any soldiers in your description of the crowd following her. You did say she seemed in control and unafraid but you also said she was being dragged and pushed. Perhaps the soldiers mentioned were those your friends left her with at the Egyptian Museum. Maybe they drove her to the Four Seasons.

    I have read that her crew was beaten and that one of them had a broken hand. It’s odd that they were not with her when she passed by you. It could be that she was brutalized at the start and they were taking her somewhere more private to rape her when your friends intervened.

    There are many possibilities.

    One thing I am fairly sure of is that Lara Logan is not sensationalizing this story. Her career could suffer for it. Many have already criticized her. Many (like me) think it was brave of her to enter the square that night’ in spite of knowing very well the risks involved, in order to show the world the courage and strength exhibited by the Egyptian protesters vying for political freedom and human rights but others have labeled her irresponsible. Some of her political enemies have taken the opportunity revel in her misfortune. Lara has nothing to gain from this story. Only her enemies (the fundamentalist Right) stand to gain anything from sensationalizing this story. Those who would like to se her destroyed for exposing the brutality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan stand to gain from this story.

    • Well said. Something very bad happened to her, and we should be concerned about that. But the question remains, what exactly happened? And why did CBS release such a damning press release leading people to believe she was raped, and not follow up with any details. Silence is not justified in this instance when so much world attention is focused on the scene of her attack, Tahrir Square. It leads people to feel manipulated by CBS, particularly when other accounts differ in fact, such as witnesses who were there and say no women saved her. The story has been sensationalized if “sustained brutal sexual attack” does not mean rape. What other words would one use to describe rape than those? And if she wasn’t raped, why not just say that in the press release? And horrific as the attack probably was for her, there is a different between being raped and not being raped. Details matter, and are critical for people to understand how to think about what happened and what context to put it in. CBS had five days to consider it’s statement, one that would be read by millions of people, and did a very poor job.

    • Nine, I give you a 2nd “well-said”!!

      Abroad, the term sexual assault is the legal phrase used in the US to explain that an attack of a sexual nature occurred. Usually, if a rape has occurred, the US media uses the word rape. When the term “sexual assault” is used, it often means that an assault of a sexual nature occurred but didn’t include rape.

      However, I speak of general practices. I think that CBS didn’t use the word rape because I don’t think she was raped; I will believe that a rape occurred if the word rape is used in future reports by legit, respected media. But I do believe that she was seriously sexually assaulted. Nine does a good job of explaining many of the possible sexual crimes that could have occurred.

  32. It is generally clear that the media has failed to generate genuine public awareness of the actual nature of Western policy. http://bit.ly/gyJR9o

  33. Thanks for stating ” But this attack raises a lot of questions that need to be answered by CBS, or, better, by Logan herself. ”
    Uh if you looked into it you would see that she already has said what happened to her and her claims are backed up by statements made by the doctors that took care of her.
    Please remove your FAIL article form the internet.

  34. Attention deficit order is a problem in the US thus its worth recalling that Wikileaks founder is believed to have been framed by the CIA on a rape charge.

    http://bit.ly/hREYxo

  35. Hi Temoris,

    a few questions.

    – At what time did you actually see her passing by?

    According to the media the assault took place at around 1am. If you had seen her at say 2.30 or 3am then maybe the whole “sustained” attack thing could be true.

    – Was her face a mess? i.e Was her hair ruffled? Make-up smudged/smeared? Were her eyes red, as if she had been crying? Did you see any cuts/scrapes/bruises anywhere on her body?

    You said her top was “uneven”, what exactly do you mean by that? Which top are you referring to? In the infamous photo, she is weraing a white coat over a black suit jacket, and beneath that a low-cut vest. Was it the black vest that was “uneven” or was she wearing some other clothes (perhaps given to her by someone after the attack)?

    Many sources are saying that the attack was actually carried out by a group of 80+ pro-Mubarak secret police in plain clothes and that the majority of the crowd wanted to help Lara but they were intimidated by these organized thugs. Thus, did you see any weapons at all (guns)?.

    Thanks for everything.

    P.s – Be careful in Lybia!!!!!!

  36. Hey. Yea. What was a tea vendor doing open for business at 1am and how did you see her so clearly in the middle of the night?

    You can ssee police using the flagpoles to whip and beat people at the end of this video and you can see how dark it was that night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlt3P4qGX3M

    • Almost sounds like Temoris saw her getting led away from brighter lights in the square, away from the big English banner, off into the dark void between the Ritz Carlton and the other street. She doesn’t know Arabic, was probably trying to rationalize what she thought was a miscommunication with some individuals who knew exactly what they were doing – and what they wanted – with that scared woman alone from her crew.

      Which was getting led away from bright lights for dark things without so much attention and glare from the crush of other people. Really twisted shit. Poor Lara Logan.

    • There were flood lights on in the square all night, and vendors selling food and tea everywhere. There was a bad vibe in parts of the square as well, people with a soccer hooligan mentality being aggressive towards foreigners, different from other nights.

      • You look at pictures of the square when Mubarak went down, its very dark about two-hundred meters past the big English banner. That’s the banner Logan was ~30-40 meters in front of in that infamous picture, and the direction she is pointed in that picture is towards the dark void almost heading straight towards Ritz Carlton, which is next door to the Museum.

        That’s the direction Temoris saw her going with ‘help.’ I bet he saw within a couple minutes of that photo being taken, getting led into the dark void that way, where in a couple more minutes Lara Logan’s nightmare began. Just sad.

      • Paul,

        That’s possible as well. Temoris only witnessed this:

        “I tried to run to intervene, but some Egyptians I didn’t know prevented me from doing it. …Later I spoke with two young male activists who helped the person I later learned was Lara Logan… They said they had formed a human chain with other young men to protect Logan, and then delivered her to the Egyptian Museum military post.”

        That’s all he saw firsthand. It’s not clear how much time passed between Temoris seeing Lara Logan “dragged and pushed” past him (for that brief moment) and his friend (with others) forming a “human chain” around her later. A lot could have happened within that uncertain time frame. She could have been assaulted before or after Temoris saw her and before the others formed a human chain. It could be that women rescued her from rape before Tomaris saw her but the men caught up with her again and chased her down the street before the soldiers intervened. No testimony I’ve heard paints a very clear picture from start to finish. Not yet.

        Temoris goes on to recount something he heard or read from another source, saying her clothes were not torn off when she was dragged past another witness in the general direction of the Museum. Another brief encounter. Then Temoris relays some FB comments on his wall. Then, he gives this account from another witness he spoke with after the fact:

        “I went to ask Abdulrahman Elsayed, and he related a similar account. ‘I was in front of her, one metre away. This was after I saw her running with a man beside her. They stopped, maybe because someone blocked their way. We formed a human chain to protect her. Only young people, 10 or 15, all men. We surrounded her. People behind us were pushing and trying to grab her, someone might have touched her. I saw her top was uneven. There was a women and children’s tent (Tahrir sq. had become a campsite) and we tried to take her there, but we couldn’t because of the pressure. Someone had a taser and he held it high, making electric noises and threatening the attackers. He told them to move away. So we could go to the Museum’s military post and deliver her to the soldiers. Then we stood there blocking the people who tried to follow her. We brought her two doctors, first a young male, then an older female. The doctor and Lara were the only women around.'”

        It’s unclear whether he means that he was a “meter” in front of her where she is pictured or much later during the incident, even after the attack. This witness says her “top” was uneven (possibly from being stretched, ripped, yanked aside or removed). He mentions no jacket or blazer. Anything could have happened between the time Temoris saw her and the time this secondary source saw her running with a man beside her. He does say he helped deliver her to some doctors (and possibly to the Museum) so it puts his testimony at the end of the incident. If he’s even telling the truth.

        Mainstream media reports say she was: stripped, groped, punched, slapped, pinched and whipped. All of that counts as “assault” and much of it counts as “sexual assault” depending on where she was “groped” and “pinched” and so forth. The Daily Mail report said she had pinch marks on “sensative parts of her body” so that could mean her breasts. Groping a woman’s breasts harshly can injure her; when Jamie Leigh Jones was drugged and raped by KBR employees in Iraq, she had to have surgery because her breasts were damaged so severely.

        Imagine some two or three hundred pound hateful punk giving Ms. Logan a “purple nurple” or a “titty twister” only not as a prank but out of sheer violence. That could cause a lot of damage. Her attackers could have used the flagpoles (or their hands) to violate her vaginally or anally. That type of groping would certainly qualify as a “sustained sexual assault” and she could have suffered physical damage as a result. She is a fairly petite woman so being “punched” could mean she has broken ribs or missing teeth. One report said Ms. Logan told a friend that hair was pulled from her head. She could have had internal injuries from being beaten with sticks. Make no mistake, a lot can happen within a short span of time. Not that it did but CBS did claim she was brutally beaten and suffered a sustained sexual assault. That doesn’t have to mean “rape” to mean something horrific and traumatizing.

        She was in the hospital for five days before being released to her family and home. I’m sure what she suffered was serious; otherwise, she’d have been all over the news saying she’s fine and it was no big deal. She gains no status by being vague or elusive, only privacy and much needed rest.

        My heart goes out to her. I wish I was there to protect her. I’m quite fond of the reporter (now, more than before) and I greatly respect her work. I think she does a great service to the world. She’s not a celebrity. This isn’t Lindsey Lohan we’re talking about here. This is a fierce and professional media correspondent. This won’t destroy her. She’ll be back to work soon and she’ll have something to say to those who kicked her while she was down.

        There is no shame for her in what happened. A small woman like that fighting off a bunch of big hairy dudes like that… it would be like me fighting off a bear. You don’t have to kick a bear’s ass to be a badass. All you have to do is survive. If you get attacked by a bear or a shark and you live then you are a badass. Lara Logan survived an assault by a gang of 50 to 200 angry mean. She’s a badass. She did it to support the causes of freedom, to shed light on the courage of a people vying for liberty. She’s a hero.

  37. Looking at some aerial photopgraphy of Tahrir square, there appears to be a large, almost empty sort of “construction site” area which is totally isolated (bordered off) from the rest of the square. If Lara was heading away from the roundabout towards the Museum, as stated by Temoris, then the most direct route to get there would have had to have been to move adjiacent to the perimeter of such a piece of wasteland (it would have been on Lara’s left hand side).

    If, as other witnesses have stated, she was suddenly lifted up and dragged off by the so-called “Baltagiya” (gangs of armed thugs employed by the regime) and was taken to this deserted area, she could have spent several hours there being gang-raped and no-one would have known a thing because the area was totally devoid of lighting and was completely isolated from the rest of the square.

    I’ve drawn a graph over this overhead photo of the square:
    http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04523_AssaultMap_122_21lo.jpg

    And this picture shows just how dark the area actually was:

    http://img294.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04846_AssaultMap2_122_166lo.jpg

    I’m gonna have to agree with Paul on this one.

    It appears that what Temoris actually saw was Lara being marched towards her very own horrendous ordeal. It’s quite possible she didn’t understand where she was being lead to and then everything just happened. It’s either that, or maybe indeed there were some genuinely caring youths who were trying to guide her away from the danger (towards the army base which you said was next to the Museum – so the direction was the still same) only to be caught up by the thugs (I remember reading somewhere that she said she actually tripped and fell over when trying to esape) who then intimidated them and abducted Lara, dragging her to the secluded area.

    If indeed Lara was sexually assaulted in such an isolated zone, it wouldn’t have mattered how many “nice and friendly” Egyptians there were that night in the square. The wouldn’t have intervened not because they didn’t care, but simply because they wouldn’t have known anything was ever going on..

    I’ve heard some brutal stories about what these Mubarek-hired thugs did when interrogating dissidents and gang-rape apparently was one of the most frequent and casual methods of punishment.

    13 days have passed and we STILL haven’t seen a single photo of Lara after her recovery. Which tells us that her ordeal was indeed THAT bad and which also confirms that the serene and immaculately dressed Lara seen by Temoris was in fact the pre – “brutal and sustained sexual assault”- Lara (read “repeatedly gang-sodomized” – Lara).

    I truly wish it wasn’t so, but it appears that the CBS correspondent was indeed a victim of an absolutely terrible crime, which needs to be fully reported in my opinion as it would:

    a) justify the Egyptian people for “not” intervening.
    b) confirm that this whole thing had nothing to do with religion.
    c) highlight just how courageous the Egyptians have actually been if they have managed to overthrow a dictator who used such barabaric methods to silenece his dissidents.

    Anyway, I hope Lara gets well ASAP.

    Peace.

  38. More media manipulation by the US. http://bit.ly/eUcyh2

  39. @nine

    I have to admit, I don’t really put much stock in what Temoris heard from his friends, just what Temoris says and what actually appears in the news (not blogs, op-columns, rants, just news). Based on what Temoris saw, those pictures, and what I know about people and mobs I think I’ve got pretty clear picture of what went on:

    1. Lara Logan’s down in Tahrir Square when Mubarak punches out, everyone’s amped, and like in any crowd – now uncontrolled – undesirable elements filter in. Egypt is not a ‘dry’ Muslim country. Booze is accessible and I am guessing booze fueled some of what happened to Logan.

    2. Logan’s down around the big English banner. Somebody – don’t know who but would like to – with a couple buddies picks her out. “Hey Samir, check that out!” or something like that. And grabs her for a razzing. Sounds weird, and its not an Islamic thing, its a drunk asshole thing. I’ve seen it at concerts, big loud parties, etc. This happens about one minute after that picture.

    3. After she’s grabbed and razzed, the immediate crowd is a little electric. Plus the name-calling, one taunt feeds another and another. Its the way mob-mentality works, again I’ve seen it. Logan’s not worried about finding her ‘team’ now so much now as getting away so she starts making for where it seems there’s less people, towards the Ritz-checkpoint-Museum, off into the comparitive dark of that macro-shot. The ‘boys’ keep up with her, messing with her, more than happy to shuffle her farther away from a congested crowd into the lower-lit less people-crushed place between the Ritz and I think what’s called October 6th Road. That’s when Temoris sees her go by. And her ‘team’ I bet is freaked out right about now. Some are looking for authorities which at that point is the Army, others try following Lara Logan and finding her.

    4. Starts getting ugly as the men get more aggressive. Pinch here, squeeze there, Logan getting antsier and more worried. One pushes her into another, who then pushes her back etc. Not exact events of course, but that’s the gist of what’s going on. More men show up, all interested obviously. Its funny watching the foreigner get all flustered up talking in her funny language and unfortunately she’s sharp-looking woman which attracts more untowards touching.

    5. Finally Logan loses it and panics, who wouldn’t?. Tries to punch one of the aggressors, something like that which sets already-juiced crowd off on her. So they start punching back. Logan’s not long on her feet in that situation and as soon as she falls down its over man. Now four, five, six people can get at her at once. They start ripping her clothes off. Kicking, punching, grabbing, twisting. Yuck. All the un-fun stuff. Not like the fat guy in the video describes (lurid and gross that fat guy is), its more like a joke to the crowd. Take her coat, bunches and bunches of cat-calls and laughter. Then someone gets the gumption to take something else, etc. All the time Logan’s taking the occasional shot to the face that kind of thing. Security guy who was part of his team – and probably sticks out like sore thumb – tries to fight his way into crowd and gets his hand broke for the effort. RIght about now other people in her ‘team’ have made contact with soldiers (who by most accounts were the most ethical actors in the whole Tahrir Square) now are out looking for her.

    6. Logan’s now punch drunk on all fours with no clothes and barely-there awareness. Crowd has backed off a bit kind of wondering what-the-hell did we just do. Somebody – as a sick joke – starts poking her with one of those flags. Then another one hits her, and another. Just like the ape-people in 2001 A Space Odyssey. Ever see that flick? After first one knocks ape-man down with his bone, all the others kind of look at each other, and then another one gets gumption to take a smack. And then another, and another…into Frenzy Time again.

    7. Now Logan’s not just beat up but totally jacked. Some souls in that crowd are already feeling like crap watching what’s going on. But not everyone. With Logan down for the count, probably not even conscious anymore, someone gets the gumption to go try a little something-something on poor Lara Logan while she’s so prone and out of it. And that’s finally when good spirits prevail.

    8. I believe the story about the women. I think there were women probably watching what happened with the rest of the crowd, but when proverbial creep-guy (probably Egyptian version of video-fat-boy) actually tries to do his thing, and the women (probably started with just one brave woman, would like to know her name…I like to think she’s Egyptian version of Lara Logan!) steps in, berates the creeper, and hovers around a decommissioned Lara Logan. Probably screams at crowd “Look what you’ve done? Are you happy?” – type sermon.

    9. ‘Team’ shows up with soldiers, extricates Logan, probably makes for Four Seasons Hotel. There’s already a guy on the phone with CBS NetJets card getting Gulfy-V booked for the flight already (not many private charter plains can do one hop Cairo-NYC, G-V can).

    Obviously that’s not ‘exactly’ what happened. But it sounds right to me as an outline. RIght now somewhere in Cairo the crowd that beat Logan up is split between assholes who have a little fetid talisman – a piece of clothing, some hair – of Logan’s as a souvenir, and the other half who feel real bad about being on the wrong side of that because they knew better but got swept up in the mob-mind as people do.

    In a nutshell, that’s what happened to poor Lara Logan in a general scheme I think. It explains her injuries, explains the time (20-30 minutes from the razz to the Big Save), and explains ‘sexual assault’ in context of frankly what’s possible in a melee like that. It also accounts for the only statements attributed to Logan – even by un-named sources – regarding women who saved her from the Big Ugly R, made to South African family members and reported by SA media.

    Also, I would like to say from what I saw of Tahrir Square that looks like awesome place to be that night, if you’re not Lara Logan. Lots of happy excited people, excited for their future and the possibilities for the first time in decades. If I was there, I woulda parties hard man…made a lot of Egyptian friends. What happened to Logan was aberration by the 2% of any population that ruins it for everybody else and I find it quite disturbing and stupid people in the USA are using her tragedy as a method to indict a whole people as a bunch of ‘monkeys’ and such.

    And like you, I do like Lara Logan a lot. She’s exceptional reporter, and I am guessing she has seen a lot of this crap on the internet about her and for that I feel real bad. (Think of being her, all beat up and stuff at home and stumbling on Fat Boy’s video…yikes!). But Lara Logan never reports anything false, and wants to get to the bottom of stories she thinks are important. I do too. I wish her best of luck, hope what happened doesn’t make her hide in a shell. But if anyone can bounce back from something like that, its probably her. She’s tough chick.

    • Oh, and I want to thank Temoris. He’s the only guy I’ve seen on whole internet who actually saw Lara Logan that night, and told the world about it. Five more of him and its case-closed on whatever happened to Logan. Thanks again Temoris! Good luck man! Wish I was with you on your adventure (I think!).

    • Ah. Okay. Not sure what to make of that. Pretty thorough work of extrapolation/interpolation.

      With that much detail, you’d better hope it doesn’t turn out too close to how it went down. Some government folk will likely go straight to work on a crisp new Paul file.

      Just in case, make certain you have proof of your whereabouts that fateful eve.

      (Har.)

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    • One thing I would like to mention, Paul. I think that a group went after Logan quickly. They were shouting at her and her team, calling them spies for Israel. I think this was much more than a group of guys who a bit sloshed and who just started to push and harass her. I think a few grabbed her, took her down and many joined in the attack.

      Mubarak’s supporters were telling the Egyptian people that foreign journalists were spying for Israel. This was a very effective way for Mubarak to block foreign media access to Egypt. This encouraged the average citizen to go after foreign media.

      • There’s an even stronger practice of lying in the media than giving privacy to people (a risible claim).

        How could you ever even consider you’re deluded? You can’t. And so the charade continues.

        For now.

  40. Don’t you and your friend feel guilty at all about seeing Lara Logan being attacked and not helping her? Or is this blog your way of coping with your guilt? By denying her attack and assault altogether? Does that make you feel better? I bet CBS’s statement was troubling for you. However, by not having the intimate details of her assault, you can argue that her attack is an exaggeration or a lie, or just flat out victim blaming – and how exactly do you protect yourself from a violent mob of men yelling “Israeli spy” when at a revolution? You know for a fact that you have absolutely no idea what happened before or after you saw Lara Logan for that split second and this is just a pathetic attempt to create doubt for your own self-serving purpose. I also would like nothing more than to find out there was no sexual assault, or physical assault for that matter, but I seriously doubt that is going to happen. By the way, did you get your cup of tea? I hope the mob that ran by you with Lara Logan did not disturb your teatime.

    • I am sure everyone who was in the square wishes they could have done more. And Témoris doesn’t claim to know what happened before he saw her, but from the point at which his friend intervened and helped her get to the army, the account is quite clear, and that account contradicts the CBS press release saying she was saved by 20 women. She most likely suffered a bad attack that was sexual in nature. But what are the details? Not lurid details, factual details. It’s not that people don’t feel terribly for what happened to her, any attack on a journalist is awful. Any attack on a woman is awful. Egypt has serious problems with how women are treated. We all know that and believe that. What is troubling here is that CBS releases a short, very explosive press release in an incredible incendiary environment, and the fires of hatred and phobia are immediately fanned across the media spectrum. Why hasn’t CBS clarified the situation? Why the slience? Why aren’t you asking these same questions as well? Why is Témoris the only journalists to ask for more facts on the story? Yes, normally in a situation involving a sexual oriented attack, privacy is a major concern. But this happened to a public figure in a public square on a night when the world was focused on that square with the Middle East erupting in revolution. The circumstances in this case necessitate a frank and swift accounting of what happened. That is all anyone is asking for. And yes, everyone does feel badly for whatever did happen to Logan.

      • But Logan isn’t a public figure. She is a news journalist. We see her on tv doing her job, which is not to be a public figure.

        I understand why there is so much frustration that the CBS statement was so vague. I was shocked by how much info CBS included. In the US, there is a strongly-held practice of keeping the victims of sex crimes anonymous. Because there were so many in the square that night, CBS couldn’t get away with not mentioning that there was a sexual assault.

        The bottom line is this….Logan was assaulted. Logan doesn’t owe anyone her story. She didn’t release the statement. CBS released the statement.

        Logan doesn’t owe anyone anything in this. If you are unhappy with that, talk to her boss.

      • Seconding Dan’s commentary.

      • @Silly:

        Maybe you haven’t followed her presence in media, but Logan is far from being a mere “journalist.” On the contrary, she’s the archetype of a public figure. U.S. major network Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent. 60 Minutes presenter/correspondent. Makes appearances not merely on hard outlets, but discussion programs such as the Sunday morning pundit shows, and topical entertainment programs (e.g., Comedy Central’s Daily Show and Colbert Report).

        Dan put it well: “Yes, normally in a situation involving a sexual oriented attack, privacy is a major concern. But this happened to a public figure in a public square on a night when the world was focused on that square with the Middle East erupting in revolution. The circumstances in this case necessitate a frank and swift accounting of what happened.”

        But then, I agree with what may be your central point: “Logan doesn’t owe anyone her story. She didn’t release the statement. CBS released the statement.” True. CBS, then, under these particular circumstances, should provide a full account. That can and should be done without including lurid minutia. They need not — and again, should not — detail intimate, humiliating specifics.

        But what they have said thus far is unacceptable, perhaps even irresponsible. Their statement is so vague, yet charged, that almost anything can be supposed from it.

        The context of this incident necessitates unambiguous explanation.

      • you know, CBS is a money making organization, and LL is a high-paid commodity. Wouldn’t surprise me if the silence was a prelude to the CBS one hour special tell all special. crass? you bet. real? you bet. look at the nytimes journalist kidnapped in afghanistan, his story was cranked out as an eight part nytimes mini series. it’s just the way the info-tainment world operates.

      • @WJ

        I do see your point about Lara Logan being on tv and interviewed frequently. I follow her a lot because I appreciate her message to Americans telling us to wake up and take a real look at the events in our world. Americans can be very lazy about their news consumption (in general, I am not accusing anyone here of being so). But tv appearances don’t make one a public figure. When Logan is interviewed, she is interviewed as a JOURNALIST (emphasis, not yelling) She is interviewed because of the type of journalism she does and because she gives Americans a much needed smack in the head. She is asked about her about her job; she doesn’t answer many questions about her personal life. Logan gave a scathing review of American media on Jon Stewart.

        I have followed Logan for years and just learned that she has 2 children! Why? Because she is a journalist and not a public figure.

        It may be that our definition of a public figure differs. But even so, if this happened to Michelle Obama or the Queen of England, we would still not be owed the details of an attack.

        I appreciate your point about CBS making a comment that doesn’t describe the lurid details. Many of the folks that I encounter are criticizing Logan/CBS for not giving the explicit and lurid details. But here is the thing. What else is there to say and how exactly will CBS placate those who won’t believe a word of this until they find out the minutia of Logan’s sexual assault?

        ________________________________________________________________

        We know what we need to know. We know that Logan attacked, beaten and sexual assaulted, as were many other journalists (although none of the others have reported being sexually assaulted). What else is there to tell?

        CBS gave a statement ONLY because other news outlets were going to do so. The only way for CBS to try to “control” the story was to make its own statement. By control I mean give accurate info from the person attacked and that was (speculation) likely oked by Logan’s family. What else is CBS supposed to do? Show us pictures of Logan’s bruises? Tell us her medical diagnoses? Should CBS tell us if there was/was not semen stains on her clothing?

        Finally, what if Logan tells CBS “I’m not sharing any more details about this than have been shared”? What are the doubters going to do then? Go on a witch hunt for cell phone video coverage? Denounce Logan as a liar?

        Frankly, the “we deserve to know more because Logan is a public figure” just isn’t true. People who say this want the lurid details. We already know the date of the attack, we know that those on her team were beaten and injured, we know that Logan required 4-5 days of hospitalization, and we know that it took at least 1-2 dozen people to get Logan away from her attackers.

        Journalism is about the:

        WHAT: Lara Logan and her entire team were all attacked. Logan suffered a prolonged physical and sexual attack. Logan required emergency treatment from hotel physicians and was flown back to the US within hours of the attack. She was then hospitalized for 4-5 days.

        WHERE: Cairo’s Tahrir Square in Egypt, covering the Mubarak resignation.

        WHY: The Egyptian gov was cracking down on foreign media in an attempt to block media coverage of the Egyptian revolution from being shown outside of Egypt. Egyptians were being told that foreign media were spying for Israel. Mubarak supporters were physically attacking foreign media on a routine basis. Logan was repeatedly called a spy moments before and during her attack.

        WHEN: Late night on Feb 11th, right after Mubarak announced that he was resigning.

        WHO: Lara Logan and her team were attacked on the street by unknown Egyptian men. There are reports that these men may have been working for Mubarak and were angry that Mubarak had resigned. However, all we really know is that a large group of Egyptian men attacked Lara Logan and her team.

        There. I just give you all what you need to know. As far as Lara Logan is concerned, the rest of this is between her, her family, her doctors, her employer and her other support systems. IF YOU DON’T KNOW LARA, IT JUST ISN’T YOUR BUSINESS. (emphasis, not yelling)

        Now that so many have shared their thoughts, and we all understand that sexual assault doesn’t mean rape (but could include rape, but reports say Logan was NOT raped), let’s recap.

        1. What are you (general audience you) still unclear about? What info do you feel you must have in order to move on? Just how detailed does that info need to be?

        2. Why do you need that info?

        3. Why do you feel entitled to get the info you feel you need?

        With this, one caveat. There are some (many) who have used this story to fuel Islamophobia in the US and elsewhere. I haven’t encountered a single media piece (blogs are not media outlets) that have linked Islam to Logan’s attack. CBS and other news organizations aren’t responsible for the illogical leaps that racists make. I am deeply saddened to see that this incident is fueling even greater Islamophobia. Let’s be honest; more details won’t smother that fire. More details will fan that fire. I am not saying that to alter anyone’s answers. I am saying that because I feel like the issues must be dealt with separately at this time. Logan isn’t responsible for the Islamophobic responses to her attack.

      • @silly

        I agree. Really, it’s none of our business. End of story. We’d just like to hear from the reporter that she’s doing well and recovering. I read one source that claimed she had already returned for a short spot on 60 Minutes (which I did not see myself) but I’m not sure it’s reliable. The opening could have been pre-taped.

        http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/lara-logan-returns-to-60-minutes_b53997

      • Dan – you cannot do both. That is feel badly about this reporter being sexually assaulted and demand that she give a detailed statement of her attack to prove that she was sexually assaulted. Sorry, that doesn’t work. At least Temoris is a little more straight forward about his motivations – he wants Logan’s assault to be a lie and is doing whatever he can to cast doubt. I guess if something makes you uncomfortable or conflicts with how you want things to be, just put up a blog claiming that it’s a lie. Why not?!

        And as far as Temoris’s “friend,” do you believe everything you read in blogs? Not all journalists are honest, they invent sources or use bad sources to further their story. He is just someone Temoris invented. Or someone who invented a story about the attack. The supposed friend actually claims to have saved Lara Logan from the attack – what a coincidence that the one person he talks to after the attack, after the assault becomes headline news, claims to have saved her?! Come on! Wise up.

        The CBS statement gives you plenty of information about what happened to Lara Logan. Too much if you ask me. There are also accounts with a lot more info on the internet. The accounts state that she was near a tent city, which is where women were and according to Temoris, since you need evidence, that was the direction she was headed when he saw her. And as we learn from Temoris, no one was helping her. Even men who feebly tried were blocked by other Egyptians. Other women journalists had been attacked in Egypt, similarly had men trying to rip their clothing off, Lara Logan’s attack was the worst however. She was almost raped, so have some fucking respect.

        The only reason I wrote on this blog is because this guy Temoris is using his supposed status as a journalist to cast doubt on another journalist’s sexual assault. That really takes integrity. And demanding that she give a statement about her own sexual assault to prove to him that it happened. To even broach that topic is disgusting. I want this creep to be hit with a lawsuit. Luckily Temoris is extraordinarily ignorant and every time he posts a comment, he discredits himself. His friend is even worse. Please douche bags, continue to discredit yourselves as journalists. Also, someone has already written an article calling this blog what it is – yellow journalism. Case closed, problem solved.

        http://www.mediaite.com/online/lara-logan-attacked-again-this-time-by-yellow-journalists/

    • @ Nine,

      I agree completely. I would love to hear that Logan is recovering well and is getting the help she and her family will need. I think we will hear such news when Logan is ready. I have no doubt that she will be returning to work. How long before she returns is anyone’s guess.

      I do believe that she has a strong support network, and her work with the Committee to Protect Journalists to help journalists who have undergone attacks will help her as well.

    • Let me ask you question Julia. Do you think Logan was targeted by dissaffected regime elements or was just unlucky person in wrong place at wrong time?

      I thought the latter originally, but more and more I wonder if she was targeted. Where she was in the square is right by the old NDP building (extensively damaged week before) and she was very known quantity to ‘authorities’ who were most unhappy with her already. You also have lack of any video or accounts, odd given the situation in the square. But it makes sense in creepy way when dealing with internal security elements. After all such characters are better at turning cameras off than waving them around.

      But again, what do you think Julia?

  41. @ Paul,

    your version of how things went down is a possibilty of course, but many bloggers are convinced that what happened wasn’t just the work of a few hooligan-type toughies, instead it was the direct result of the roads leading into the square being opened up afetr 1am to the “non-protesters”, i.e Mubarak supporters/mercenaries.

    As below –

    “Shortly after Mr Mubarak’s resignation the atmosphere changed. The controls at the entrances disappeared and people who had never visited the square poured in, many of them aggressive and scornful of the political idealism of the protesters who had slept there round the clock.

    The South African-born Logan, her crew and a security detail appear to have been surrounded near a tent city that had sprung up in the square. The crowd fastened on to the petite blonde journalist and began jostling, shouting, and yelling “spy”.

    Until Mr Mubarak was forced out, state media had been broadcasting and printing charges that foreigners were behind the uprising or were sending home images tarnishing Egypt’s reputation. Several reports said Israeli spies were disguised as foreign journalists.

    In the 1980s, the police faced the growth of “gangs,” referred to in Egyptian Arabic as baltagiya. These street organizations had asserted self-rule over Cairo’s many informal settlements and slums. Foreigners and the Egyptian bourgeoisie assumed the baltagiya to be Islamists but they were mostly utterly unideological. In the early 1990s the Interior Ministry decided “if you can’t beat them, hire them.” So the Interior Ministry and the Central Security Services started outsourcing coercion to these baltagiya, paying them well and training them to use sexualized brutality (from groping to rape) in order to punish and deter female protesters and male detainees, alike. During this period the Interior Ministry also turned the State Security Investigations (SSI) (mabahith amn al-dawla) into a monstrous threat, detaining and torturing masses of domestic political dissidents.

    “Baltagiya’ might be gangs, police informants or unemployed youths that can be hired or just poor people who are paid off.” Over a period of three decades, Mubarak put to work close to two million people, including police informants, who have effectively formed a parallel force tasked with quelling dissent at the local level.

    Egyptians, of course, had no such choice. They lived behind the facade, and the ugly core of Mubarak’s regime was a daily reality. For years, they silently bore it, until, last month, they could take it no more. And, in those final days, as Mubarak and his cronies struggled to maintain, by any means, one last handhold on power, the facade inevitably was cast aside. For the first time, America has had a direct look at the reality of Mubarak’s Egypt. Like countless Egyptians before them, American journalists began to be beaten up by the baltagiya. American journalists were sucked, for a brief time, into the hell of Egypt’s prison system that had terrorized Egyptians for decades-and unlike those Egyptians, they could go back to their papers and write about it. And now, we have learned that an American reporter, Lara Logan, has been the victim of a disgusting, sick crime-one committed, by street gangs and prison interogaters, against countless Egyptian women before her.

    And thus, we understand the true cause of Lara Logan’s tragedy-not Egyptian “mobs”, not Islamic “patriarchy”, but the last lashing out of a government, sustained by us, that knew its time was up.

    During the demonstrat­ions, the secret police and the pro-Mubara­k mobs were the ones who started the violence, killed people and attacked reporters. The anti-Mubar­ak protestors were peaceful and unarmed, and welcomed reporters, even protected them.
    So yes – the immediate assumption is that it was a pro-Mubara­k mob.

    As an Egyptian I was surprised during the days of the revolution that the sexual harassment disappeared in Tahrir square and beyond…except for the thugs and members of the old regime, who formed mobs circulating Tahrir square to harass, beat and even killed, the protesters. They did harassed and injured an Egyptian T.V female prese…nter ( Bothaina Kamel ). Let me say that I am almost sure that Miss Logan and her crew was followed by security and police thugs to Tahrir Square, where they found an opportunity to take revenge of her.

    During the revolution there were no reports of sexual harassment until Mubarak thugs and secret police dressed in civilian clothes started mingling with the demonstrators and started attacking the demosntrators and harassing women. So …I guess she got mixed up somehow in the middle of that bad crowd of Mubarak’s thugs and his henchmen.

    I still believe that it was a lot more serious than just a bot of pinching and a few lashings of a whip. CBS declared it was a “brutal and sustained sexual assault”.

    I simply cannot believe that an attractive, blonde western woman who had been stripped naked and was surrounded by of a mob of hundreds of hot-blooded arabs for half-an-hour or even more, was simply “poked at” and had her nipples “twisted”. It was a lot more serious in my opinion..

  42. Why Did US Media Not Report Raymond Davis’ CIA Ties? http://huff.to/dYvtQI

  43. Some of these comments defending Laura Logan are being astro turfed by a worker at Lockheed Martin (Arms sellers). I can provide the evidence if anyone wishes to contact me. Thanks. #geek

  44. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c82_1297446278
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=784_1297448561

    That’s footage of the crowd from February 11th. It looks like a peaceful and jubilant atmosphere for the most part. You can see some people running around and maybe getting into a little trouble here and there but mostly just cheering and getting excited. I agree that it’s unlikely that any of the hardcore protesters attacked Lara Logan.

    If it was a rowdy group of soccer hooligans then I’m thinking she got some harsh treatment but probably not rape.

    If it was one of these vengeful pro-Mubarak goon squads (which seems likely given the article Scrounger just posted), she probably got probably worse. She’d probably have been raped (or close to it) by thugs like that… but, reportedly, she has said that it was not a rape.

    Denying it was a rape could be an effort to preserve modesty and privacy but I doubt it. Why would she lie about it (either way) when it’s highly likely that more and accounts from witnesses will surface. As for CBS, they handled it the best they could. She’s their chief foreign correspondent and she’s on 60 Minutes and the Evening News. That’s a pretty big deal. They were trying to be as discreet and respectful as possible.

    I want to know what happened. At this point, it’s like a quest. I feel like I want to know more out of sincere empathy and solidarity. But, man, yea, if she doesn’t want to talk about it then that’s her right. It’s really none of my business (knowing the details).

    I’m not sure I want everyone to know what happened, her enemies, her detractors, that crazy blogger chick, whatever her name is that said she thought it was “funny” that Lara got “liberated” and got “a taste of Islam” (and said so back when people were still reporting it as a gang rape). Seriously, that lady, Debbie Schlussel (I looked it up), that psycho should lose her job (whatever it is). She’s just jealous because Lara is everything she wishes she could be but can’t. Also, she’s some kind of insane racist xenophobe. Fxxx Debbie Schlussel.

    Lara Logan is awesome and I hope she’s doing well. People like her give me hope for humanity. I wish her well and I’ve got her back on the Internets!

  45. Is it possible that what Témoris saw actually WASN’T lara logan?

    Just a thought. If you’ve got two completely different versions of events … maybe they’re just not the same event.

  46. Temoris,

    I just read your previous post and was stunned by the difference between this one from Feb 21st and your Feb 17th post.

    I think it all comes down to this. Americans aren’t confused about the sexual assault. When someone is raped, US media reports the assault as a rape. When someone is sexually abused/molested/hurt, we call it a sexual assault. While the term “sexual assault” can include rape, the US media practice is pretty consistent about using the word rape when rape has occurred.

    Is this the basis for the extreme difference between your 2/17 and 2/21 posts?

  47. The only source I’ve seen that comes close to quoting Lara:

    “Logan has also reportedly told relatives in her native Durban, South Africa, of her life’s “darkest nightmare.”

    “The attack was so sudden, I had no chance of escaping,” she told them, according to South Africa’s Independent Online.

    Logan told colleagues she escaped being raped when a group of Egyptian women threw themselves on top of her to protect her.

    She was then escorted by about 20 soldiers to the Four Seasons hotel where she was staying.

    “It may be a while” before she returns to the air, says a CBS News source. “Psychologically, obviously, she is suffering from this.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/flagpole_flog_E61HRINd1PS48FsgQKaHuO#ixzz1EsJI1eSl

    • Nine, I personally believe that report to be false. The NY Post is basically a gossip rag. The NY Post tried to look legit for a long time, but the paper is incredibly unreliable and sensationalizes info.

      The info posted in the NY Post is simply re-reporting of info found on blogs. I can’t find that same info in any legit news source.

      I could be wrong. But I am personally not taking that report seriously.

      • I read that same information in the South African newspaper that is original source. Logan’s sister flew to the States ASAP after all this went down to be with her battered sib.

  48. Janet Scrivener

    It is sometimes difficult to make out just what the various posters here seem to want to know, believe or assert. It seems that the report that some members of the crowd involved in the Lara Logan assault shouted “Jew, Jew.” That’s been enough, predictably, to bring all the Jewish oriented press to focus on that one detail and run it into the ground – for all purposes, ignoring the facts of the actual attack. It’s also been reported that she was called, “Sharmouta” – “whore” in Arabic, and “Mubarak’s sharmouta.” Comments intended to rouse the anger of the crowd, and likely deflect attention from the real agents of this atrocity.

    Large amounts of suppositions and sheer fantasies are being written by people about what they ‘think’ happened. Various people claim to have witnessed part of the attack. CBS, showing its muscle, managed to suppress the entire story for around 4 days – citing ‘family’s wish for privacy.’ The family should certainly not be expected to be making statements to the press unless they themselves want to. But it can hardly be called compassionate to allow these rumours and imaginings to florish unchecked.

    What I find extremely odd about the entire thing is that there has not been one official statement regarding the assault itself which has been backed up with specific facts or statements by people who have a professional reason to know – the other members of the crew with her. The doctor at the hotel. The flight crew of the plane she was taken out on. Doctors or nurses, etc. at the hospital in the U.S. where she was from Saturday thru Wednesday. Not even from ‘a source who did not want to be named.’ “They thought it was bite marks all over ‘sensitive’ areas of her body, but it turned out to be ‘aggressive pinches.'” In hospital for almost 5 days and that’s all they figured out? She was beaten by ‘flag poles.’ That statement presents an odd impression. Then we learn that the ‘flagpoles’ were basically sticks of varying sizes, some as much as 3/4″ in diameter. That could result in a very severe beating indeed. There were supposedly official statements about ‘severe internal injuries.’ But then, others say LL was NOT raped. So, how did those internal injuries come about? And how severe were they? Did she require surgery? Will she require surgery in future? Will she be able to have another child? Beaten severely – was her head beaten? Does she have a concussion? Did she black out? Does she have amnesia? Was her face damaged? Will she have permanent visible scars? Were any bones broken? Did she have open wounds? Can she walk? How long do doctors think it will take for her physical injuries to heal?Those are the kinds of details I would like to know. Oh, and – what time did she and her crew leave the Four Seasons hotel? What time was she taken back to the hotel? Where exactly on Tahrir Square did the attack occur? How far is it from the hotel? Someone knows these things. Why is there a problem reporting them?

    As far as being raped – on top of everything else that has apparently been officially verified – a simple yes or no answer is sufficient. Frankly, most people are probably assuming that vaginal/anal rape was part of the package – what – an angry crowd of men grab her, strip her, beat her, pinch her visciously, etc. – but don’t rape her? Seems quite unlikely.

    I’ve been a bit perturbed by the many well wishers who hope she makes ‘a speedy recovery and gets right back to work.’ Now, that’s the kind of thing you might say to someone who was injured in a sports accident. I’m not sure that even in the case of a fairly severe auto accident that wishing someone ‘a speedy recovery’ seems appropriate. But after “a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating?”

    There have been reports of the existence of cell phone videos which show the assault in progress and presumably can be used to discover the identities of the perpetrators. Yet we have not been told by any form of law enforcement even that “efforts are being made to learn the identity of the attackers and bring them to justice.”

    Something about this entire event is rankling to me, and I’m having some trouble identifying just what. I guess it just has some large echos of the classic reaction when a woman has been assaulted. First of all – say nothing about it. Maybe the information won’t get out. (Thank you CBS, which has shown that it can paralyze the internet and news reporting everywhere.) After all, think of the victim’s privacy. Or, maybe, minimize and trivialize the event. Women in the media want her to ‘make a speedy recovery and get right back to work.’ Well, they would. They’re afraid of what it might mean to their own careers. I’m beginning to feel that the real story here is the media. Now, I know that LL is only one reporter who has been subjected to brutal physical attack, and some have even been killed during the Egyptian uprising. And, in conflict areas all over the world, reporters seem to be increasingly considered targets by elements of the uprisings. Now, to me, that seems to be a huge story. And how those events are reported on, how timely, how accurately and fully, how their specific experience came about – that seems to me to be a huge story. And I’m getting the impression that LL is being expected to play along and not let the side down no matter what. I hope that Lara Logan tells everyone to F off and that she’s going to come back to work when she is good and god damn ready.

    • You’re a sick wanna-be voyeur. You are also a man posting with a feminine name in the hopes of being taken a bit more seriously on the issue of female sexual assault. EPIC FAIL.

      Oh, and your entire comment is completely contradictory.

      • Silly, there has been a lot of thoughtful, intelligent commentary on this blog — some from you. But you also seem the only commenter who, with some consistency, insults posters with whom you disagree.
        And your insults are pretty vile to boot.

        Consider that this event may lend enough complexity for alternate perspectives to exist without those offering them necessarily being “sick wanna-be voyeurs.”

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    • @Janet

      I don’t think “internal injury” (not sure that which source you’re citing) is paramount to penetration. It could also mean broken bones, internal bleeding or damaged organs from blunt force trauma. I’m just clarifying what “internal injury” means or could mean: http://www.medical-glossary.com/definition/internal-injury.html

      • I agree. Getting kicked by people for ten minutes or so racks up mileage quick. Speaking as someone who used to EMT for a living, I wouldn’t be surprised if good portion of Lara Logan’s hospital stay was ‘observation’ in case there was internal bleeding. Just miserable for her I bet.

  49. Mmmmmm,

    Before this thread degrades any further:

    Témoris, well-written exposé. Appears to have more than a slight tint of authenticity about it. Janet, I liked your post, there is something peculiar about how this thing is unfolding, which does rankle.

    As far as some of you others are concerned, before you speculate lovely Lara was nailed to a cross with a crown of thorns planted firmly on her head – which I’m sure is only a post or two away – you still need to verify what she may have said to the congregation of mourners standing in attendance at the base of her cross. The whole thing may ring a little disingenuous and hollow without some concise annunciation.

    God forbid that should occur!

    • @Octopius

      Lame. Quit trying to act like you have some sort of high ground. You only found this page because you’re as curious and nosey as the rest of us.

      Those (like me) of us who offered alternatives to her being “raped” were merely trying to lend credibility to the idea that “sexual assault” could come in many forms. I’m hoping she suffered less than any of us have suspected; and, at finding my hope comes true, I’d still be thankful for her sacrifice and admire her heroism. She was risking her entire life that day, as were all the other correspondents on the scene, regardless of the outcome. She’s heroic just for being there.

      • “You only found this page because you’re as curious and nosey as the rest of us.”

        You’re right, of course. It’s not possible that someone would take an interest in a topic for any reasons other than yours. All the world’s population thinks in exactly the same manner you do; any claim to the contrary is merely a diversion.

        That’s arrogance for you.

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  50. Sounds like you saw her in the beginning. She wasn’t walking at the end.

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  51. Octopius is Lara I think?

    • If Lara Logan in her down time is surfing the internet and comes across our stupid little thread here, I at least hope she gets a laugh at all our dumbasses.

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  52. Interesting how this awful incident has made the tubes explode with the full range of what makes us human, good and bad. I’ve never witnessed such hate, compassion and self righteousness attached to a very public crime explode onto blogs and forums.

    Surely this “story” is not going to go away anytime soon. There is going to be a possibly history making amount of internet “sleuthing” that is going to go on until people responsible are identified on whatever videos surface in the future. You can already see this starting to happen with people talking about where Lara Logan was in relation to the banner.

    Just too high profile to unfold otherwise. (No matter what an individuals motivations may be.)

    Thanks Temoris, (no sarcasm,) for adding this piece of the puzzle to get people detective tendencies going.

    • The attack was an outrage, but even more broadly it really is an astonishing event. It’s incredibly rare that people of Ms. Logan’s stature in media are victims of this sort.

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  53. you know i just had a crazy idea……..
    how about we leave Lara Logan the fuck alone ,let her recover and speak when shes ready to do it?

    • Your heart is in the right place. So I’ll leave you with the question I don’t know the answer to.

      How do I know if a person or a population are being manipulated?

      This I can’t turn my cheek to.

    • @Benny,

      How about you quit scouring the Internet for obscure pages like this and then acting like you’re somehow less of a rubber-necker than the rest of us?

      None of this is bothering Lara Logan. Do you honestly think her self-esteem is tied to what some random strangers on the Internet are saying about her? She’s probably playing with her children and enjoying her husband’s company. The only people reading this are gawkers like you… which is why it’s comical that you’re criticizing the rest of us for caring enough to defend Lara’s account.

      Forgive me for hoping to keep the conversation from settling on: “It was a conspiracy! Nothing happend! It’s a big lie!” or “She was totally raped, dude! It had to be rape if she was in the hospital! They’re just covering it up!” Forgive me for trying to maintain that all any of us are doing, any of us, is guessing and no one yet knows the truth.

      Also, we had already decided to leave her alone. Me: “I agree. Really, it’s none of our business. End of story. We’d just like to hear from the reporter that she’s doing well and recovering.” Thanks for coming in and making this thread longer so you could pretend some moral high ground. You only found this obscure page because you’ve been scouring the Internet for more details. Quit acting like you happened to overhear this conversation while you were out buying milk. What a douche.

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  54. How much she endured (or didn’t endure) doesn’t factor into how much I admire her. I admired her work before this happened. I admire her just for being in Egypt that day. I guess we could let let the topic rest, especially Octopius and Benny (who seem to have nothing better to offer us than drive-by self-righteousness). Thanks to the rest for the heartfelt and meaningful conversation. Hope for the best.

  55. Nine darling,

    I came across this thread days ago when there were only a few respondents to Témoris’s original written account, which, at the time, struck as being the only reasonable voice to be heard on the subject amongst a cacophony of hysteria.

    So much so, I posted a link to it on the New York Jewish Week website when the Assistant Editor wrote an article alleging a cover-up by US mainstream media because they had failed to report the ‘hysterical, obsessive anti-Semitism of the Islamic world’ aspect associated with Ms Logan’s assault. However, whilst Témoris’s original account still bears up to scrutiny, this thread no longer does. Except for a few respondents, this whole thread has deteriorated into supposition and speculation. The exact same thing Témoris’s original account had been of counter-balance to elsewhere on the Internet.

    Something is odd about this story regarding Logan for very reason decent and reasonable people like Témoris were in near vicinity of her almost all the time throughout her ordeal. Whilst decent people in near vicinity do not preclude her being manhandled and groped by a surging mob, it does provide a natural restriction to some of the more excessive potentialities that have been alleged.

    This event has overshadowed the Egyptian peoples jubilations in deposing their dictator. It is quite possible Logan’s injuries are so minor they don’t correlate in any way; shape or form to the influence this event has had on a major world event. And, it is for this very reason things are suspiciously silent from her end.

    • Octopius lovebunny,

      “However, whilst Témoris’s original account still bears up to scrutiny, this thread no longer does. Except for a few respondents, this whole thread has deteriorated into supposition and speculation. The exact same thing Témoris’s original account had been of counter-balance to elsewhere on the Internet.”

      I don’t think that’s necessarily true at all. The assumptions Temoris presented along with his brief account of seeing Ms. Logan rushed by him in the street were actually quite far-fetched, really, and I think the discussion in this thread has done a lot to explain why those assumptions are unreasonable (when taken as anything more meaningful than the blind speculation the rest of us engaged in here). What he witnessed was very brief and the rest is hearsay. We don’t know how well he knows those he’s quoting. We don’t know how much time passed between when she was rushed by him and whoever it was he spoke to reached her and formed a “human chain” around her or how much that person could see while being thronged by the crowd. I’m sorry but the Temoris account is too weak to justify the doubts he puts forth in how CBS put forth the story or how Ms. Logan has represented it to quoted colleagues at CBS, medical sources, family, etc.

      Temoris seemed to be putting forward this notion that CBS exaggerated the incident and that their description of the events amounted to so much hyperbole and that Ms. Logan was barely even assaulted (let alone the victim of a sustained sexual assault and beating). That is an entirely unjustifiable theory to put forth based on seeing someone rushed by him for maybe thirty seconds on a crowded street full of protesters.

      His account is not an eye-witness account so far as it goes beyond, “I was buying tea from a vendor in Tahrir with two friends, Amr Fekry, a 26 year old Egyptian call center agent, and Andi Walden, a San Francisco political science student. Then we heard the noise and saw the mob coming. A blonde woman, neatly dressed with a white coat, was being dragged and pushed. It didn’t seem to me she was panicking, but rather trying to control the situation. They passed us in an moment. They were yelling ‘agent!, agent!'”

      That’s all he said that we can consider primary source material. The rest is what this guy said and that girl posted on his Facebook wall and what he asked someone about who he names but doesn’t explain his relationship with or quote directly.

      The Temoris account is not really that much more accurate or valuable than the rest of the speculation on this thread. From his original thread we can discern that Lara Logan was, at some point, pushed and dragged down a street. That’s it. That’s all the firsthand testimony we have here.

      I don’t think this incident has “overshadowed” the momentous victory at all. I don’t see how anyone could think that, really. And, I’m sure, when she speaks out, Ms. Locan will, as she had for months, bring the focus sharply back to the cause of the Egyptian people.

      If my posts or those of Paul or any of the others have “deteriorated into supposition and speculation” the course of this thread… good… because that’s all Temoris was offering and that’s all this post and this thread were from the beginning. It’s all speculation.

      Look at this portion: “’I think it is a big exaggeration’, said Alshimaa Helmy, a 21 year old Egyptian biotechnology student and cyber-activist. ‘It couldn’t happen. How can someone risk to rape a foreign woman in the most important square of Egypt, in front of tens of witnesses? If those were bad guys, what about all the good people who were celebrating? She doesn’t deserve what happened to her, no one does, but if you are going to a revolution, you should protect yourself.'”

      Is that a witness or a bystander or someone on his Facebook wall?

      Look at this portion:

      “Later I spoke with two young male activists who helped the person I later learned was Lara Logan (I didn’t know her before, I don’t usually follow US networks). They were Omar El Shennawy, a 21 year old teacher of English, and Abdulrahman Elsayed, a 25 year old teacher of physical education. They said they had formed a human chain with other young men to protect Logan, and then delivered her to the Egyptian Museum military post.”

      They are named. That’s wonderful. Try tracking those guys down and see how far you get. Then, ask them, how long after she was rushed by Temoris was it when they arrived upon the scene? Five minutes? An hour? Who knows?

      These activists aren’t the “friend” Ferky he mentions earlier who was standing next to him as he bought tea. Ferky merely ran off to help Ms. Logan before getting lost in the crowd. Ferky himself writes on Temoris’ Facebook wall, “I tried to go and help her but many people pushed me hard to go away as they thought I was trying to hit her.” He couldn’t even get to her. How long did he pursue? How long was it between when he was pushed away and gave up and when the two activists found Lara somewhere and formed a human chain and “Abdulrahman Elsayed” (whoever that is) showed up on the scene to follow her to some tent.

      This second-hand testimony is full of holes. It’s barely useful at all. And, the eye-witness testimony is Temoris and another person he mentions seeing her rushed by in “a moment”… so… a total of a minute’s worth of testimony… tops.

      I’m going to side with what CBS has said, not Temoris. I’m not going to jump to conclusions. I merely made room for doubt on all sides of the fence. People need to stop painting this out to be a hoax or some kind of cover-up or government conspiracy. It was an attack by some thugs. That’s it. It is what it is.

      • “It was an attack by some thugs. That’s it. It is what it is.” Glad you are such an expert on these things and so knowledgeable about what exactly took place, Mr. Dood. Were you in Tahrir that night? Which facts are you quoting exactly? A few sentence press release by a media organization? You dismiss eyewitness accounts out of hand and embrace the press release. One shouldn’t jump to conclusions on any account. And neither should you pretend to know things you don’t.

      • @reason

        This is not an eye witness account. All Temoris saw was someone get rushed by him. The rest is what he heard from other people. Same as you. Dumbass.

      • Lovebunny???

        As incongruous a use in terminology as that is, it sadly represents the high point of your dissertation. Maybe, if you repost with only the salutation and the rest deleted, there may occur a dramatic spike along the cognitive evaluated assessment axis. Other than that recommendation, I don’t see much hope on the horizon for any of your rationale.

        But, thanks for playing, anyway.

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  56. Awe, man, I totally busted myself out for being both “nine” and “dood”. :P

    • yeah, well I am actually nine, dood, and reason. just called myself a dumbass, and spelled it wrong.

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  57. We’ve got to be cluttering up Temoris’ email, man. We should stop.

    • Yeah, I wonder where Temoris is? Out in the wastes of Cyrenaica or what?

      The recent comments starting with Benny have been kinda funny to read. I knew it was only matter of time before righteous indignation popped up. Fact is, this is the only thread I’ve seen where people are – for the most part – genuinely interested in the why-who-what of Lara Logan’s misfortune, instead of using it as rhetorical weapon for political pet cause (women! Jews! Islam did it!).

      Besides, if such a strange, horrible thing had happened to another reporter in the square that night – with so many ambiguities – Lara Logan herself would be looking into it, its what she does and does well.

      • “…This is the only thread I’ve seen where people are – for the most part – genuinely interested in the why-who-what of Lara Logan’s misfortune, instead of using it as rhetorical weapon for political pet cause (women! Jews! Islam did it!).”

        Seconded.

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  58. @Nine aka Dood aka Reason aka 5 plus…

    I had avoided using the term TROLL in my initial comment, as it really is a term best used in specific accusation of a person than it is as a generalisation. But you are a troll who has unnecessarily convoluted this thread with your mindless dissertations and rants.

    Mmmmmmm… I can see where an astute minded woman like Lara Logan and you would just hit it off together if ever you were to meet. I’m sure within moments of meeting you it would occur to her she married the wrong guy. In fact, given a choice between spending an evening with you and a marauding mob of sexual deviants in Cairo, I am sure she would choose the marauding mob of sexual deviants every time. But she would not be alone on this score. Such is our aversion to dullards, any sensible woman would choose the latter option. Who knows, we may even find we enjoy being brutalised.

    • I got to ask Octopius, what do you think happened in the square?

      • I can only give you the same answer I gave on a thread on Youtube which is this:

        I’ve already stated in a recent post, “…I have no doubts Logan was groped and manhandled by a mob.” I have no doubts because I have seen it happen to other women who have inadvertently strayed into a marauding mob of men simply out to enjoy the festivities of the occasion. They can’t be accused of being there with any malice because they usually are not. But what may start out as a sly grope of a passing woman’s breasts can often turn frenetic due to phenomena known as ‘mob mentality’, as each man clambers over the other to get his share. I’ve seen unsuspecting women left shaking and in tears from a mauling that has lasted less than thirty seconds. It’s frightening. And that is all you really need to know to have any empathy for Ms Logan. But that is not what is going on here. What is going on here is a macabre obsession for more and more explicit and lurid details of the assault on Ms Logan. Nothing to do with her welfare. Everything to do with your satisfaction.

        I, also, said this in response to something to do with my interest in the matter:

        Logan is an interesting woman because her intrepidness as a journalist is quite obviously motivated, in part, in counterweight to her attractive appearance. But rather than tone down her appearance she has remained feminine and girlie. All of which makes her intimidating to both men and women. But, as you say, this has been badly handled, and could go disastrous for her. Especially if CBS try to profit from it by belated exclusive interview. 

        The last point has been raised in this thread. I genuinely like Lara Logan. She is articulate, passionate and exhibits a notable empathy in her reporting for the hardships encountered by US frontline troops. But something is out of character here with Logan with these events. She has experienced many close encounters over the years in various theatres of war as a war correspondent, all of which she has survived relatively unscathed. Whereas, she may have prepared her mind for those eventualities, these events I doubt she did.

        So, I don’t know. But where most of the male commentary has been focused on the physiologically aspects of the assault, I think the real issue is what happened psychologically to her. And, whatever that is, travels back beyond the events in Tahrir Square that night.

      • I was feigning an incensed tone (in sarcasm) to signify that your derogatory comments toward me are taken lightly. The old “your mom” insult is a standard comeback for children in the United States. I exaggerated it to show how silly this situation is… you criticizing me for what you are doing yourself in this thread alongside the rest of us.

        And, I don’t mean any insult to you. I know your intentions are good. Mine are good. Everyone here cares about Ms. Logan an wishes her well. We’re all adults who care about the truth. No worries.

      • @Nine: Kudos. Perhaps not arrogant, then. :-]

    • @Octopussy

      Your entire mom. All of it. *shakes fist*

      • No idea what any of that is suppose to mean.

        Probably best.

      • I was feigning an incensed tone (in sarcasm) to signify that your derogatory comments toward me are taken lightly. The old “your mom” insult is a standard comeback for children in the United States. I exaggerated it to show how silly this situation is… you criticizing me for what you are doing yourself in this thread alongside the rest of us.

        And, I don’t mean any insult to you. I know your intentions are good. Mine are good. Everyone here cares about Ms. Logan an wishes her well. We’re all adults who care about the truth. No worries.

  59. Marion I. Lipshutz

    Your sexism and blame the victim attitude on the issue of violence against womeen is very obvious.

    Lara Logan owes you absolutely nothing.

    Shame on you!

  60. @Octopius

    Your reply is basically what I think about the whole thing. What I am interested in is do you think mob just escalated (I am thinking the same thing) or was she targeted by a dying regime lashing out at the closest, last thing it could?

    Reason I wonder that is because of the aftermath. No one’s gone to figure out what happened to Logan and that’s strange. Like the resident-thread conspiracy theorist Charles has pointed out about Jessica Lynch. The Party Line on Lynch came out, and then journalists went to work (maybe even Logan amongst them at the time) and found out about the hospital, the Iraqis who helped her, how the Army screwed up sending supply convoy where it did…etc. Yet no such follow-up regarding Logan, which is bizarre given there were a lot more witnesses, media, everything, surrounding what happened to her than Jessica Lynch. For instance, given the feminist-angle on the deal, why hasn’t anyone tried to find some of these women who saved Logan? Or soldiers? Great piece on sisters standing up for their own, standing up for a better Egypt for women….something like that. Yet nothing.

    I could understand American journalists circling the wagons around one of their own accounting for the quiet, and the Arab ones wanting to kind of forget the whole thing given the bad images it conveys. But all the European journalists? The Brits? Just dead-quiet other than – as you’ve pointed out – speculative tabloid fodder for perverts.

    Just something weird about it all.

    • I honestly don’t know.

      I tend to think I am a little bit more fortunate with regards to my knowledge and protected personal opinion of Lara Logan because I live in Australia. We get Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert here on cable around dinnertime in the evenings. I only began watching Jon Stewart last year. Whereas, I was happy to watch Stewart for thirty minutes, I found Colbert’s persona a little tiring so I would switch him off. On one such occasion last year, where I had thought I had switched the television off and was going about doing other things, I suddenly heard this extremely articulate and knowledgeable female voice resonating in the room. It was Lara Logan in interview with Stephen Colbert. As a woman, I can admire her looks, but it literally was her voice that drew me to the television. She impressed. And, I made an effort to find out some more about her.

      We have our own 60 Minutes in Australia. It is trite, vapid and vacuous and is the quickest route to take in not being respected as a journalist in Australia. I doubt the format and quality content is very much different to your 60 Minutes in the US. So, in that way, I am a little bit more fortunate because I am sure my opinion of Logan would be less than what it is if I were to regularly encounter her reporting for 60 Minutes. I, also, know very little about any of the gossip surrounding Logan other than I find it amusing her brief career as a swimsuit model continually surfaces almost every time her name is mentioned. I’d laugh if she actually had done a porn flick, which she has kept under wraps all these years. There would be some poetic justice in her having done something like that when so much has been made of her brief modeling career.

      It really is difficult for me to gauge how much genuine support Lara Logan has in the United States. She obviously has the respect of your president. Janet’s post raised a significant proportion of the issues I have regarding these events. It is a complete information void beginning with lack of mobile phone video in Tahrir Square all the way through to everyone Logan encountered between Tahrir Square and her home in Washington DC. You raise equally valid questions regarding confirmation of witnesses and sources alleged to be present that night.

      I don’t want to believe this is true, but maybe it is true, women just aren’t meant to be that smart and pretty at the same time. One or the other is accepted, but not in combination, that is, not unless you are still prepared to fuck your way to the top. Maybe, that was Lara’s mistake, she thought she would do it on her own merit.

      • @Octopius

        Actually, 60 Minutes reporters are respected quite well in the United States (as far as network television goes). She also reports for CNN. Logan won an Emmy for her reporting in Iraq. I posted some videos of her work earlier in this thread to offer some perspective on who she is — since Temoris didn’t seem to know who she was at all. Her Emmy award acceptance speech and the interview with Politico are enough to inspire respect even from those who oppose her views or values.

      • @ Octopius,

        Also, you realize, of course, that Colbert is a caricature… right? His show is a parody of Conservative pundits. He’s actually a Liberal-minded comedian posing as a Conservative pundit for comedic value. Please tell me that comes across in Australia. Because, wow, I’d hate for you to think that’s his real personality on display. He’s just poking fun at guys like O’Reilly and Beck.

      • Nine,

        Yes, I am aware of all you said about Colbert. I can only take him in small doses though. Glad to hear 60 Minutes America has a better reputation than it does here. And yes, seen that video of Lara receiving her Emmy Award. She looked gorgeous and spoke eloquently.

  61. Yeah, Logan’s voice reminds me of the voice they put in modern fighter planes that calmly tells the pilot horrible things amid all the beeps and alarms (Wing has detached, warning, wing has detached).

    I also had you for a Brit with your more articulate English than the norm. Oz is cool place though, was there couple years back. Only other country I’ve been to outside of USA where everyone drives such overpowered oversized vehicles…on the wrong side no less (lol.)!

    And the info-vacuum with Logan is strange. There is great opportunity for a gumshoe to track some of these saving women down, get their side of the story. Not on all the nasty things going on, but the good things they did to save Logan. A kind of mini-revolution within a revolution where standing up for another woman crossed all these religious and cultural barriers.

    And I don’t know about Oz, but such piece would go along way to humanizing Egyptians in this story. In the ‘States, the running line in the zeitgeist is Logan got what was coming, because all these cretin Arabs saw a blonde woman so it turned into some kind of anti-semitic Islamogasm. Didn’t she know any better? Everyone short-changes the woman as naive yet she’s been around Muslims in broken Muslim societies for more than a decade in some scary, scary situations. Just stupid.

    • Yes, well I actually speak with more of a British accent than I do an Australian accent. Although, similar to Logan, it is an accent no one can quite make out. Yes, she has a great voice. I liked the scenario you described in hearing her voice as everything goes to shit around you. I’d much prefer to be hearing her voice than any mans voice if I were in a situation where the wings of the aircraft I was flying were being torn off. Unless, of course, the man was present in the aircraft, then, I’d expect him to go out and put the wings back on. Or, at least, hold them there whilst I changed into my crash landing skirt and top.

      And yes, it would have been so much better for her to have had the story about what happened in Tahrir Square come to light through second and third party sources and from the perspectives you mentioned. Now she is the story. Unfortunately, I think the obvious will be true. Her story will be revealed in a 60 Minutes exclusive. It will answer none of the vexing questions surrounding these events, which is the standard format for that program, and with that a significant proportion of her journalistic credentials will evaporate into thin air.

      I’m sure she may be able to charm her way back into favour with all the guys because of her good looks, but I think she is going to have a bit more of hard time with those of us who thought that aspect about her was of minor consequence on its own, but made for interesting observation if you are aware of the machinations that go on in a woman’s mind in getting the balances right when you have both smarts and looks. Oh, and are able to rough it in the wilderness, as well – or in her case a war zone. I don’t much care for prissy women who are at risk of perishing when more than three feet from a refrigerator.

      Anyway, none of this is advantageous to my own appearances, despite being a Saturday morning here, which does gives me some latitude on the gloss and glamour rountine.

  62. Funny how this thread has forgotten where this blog’s author most likely is right now. Thanks for what you do Temoris, and keep your head down and safe!

    (And no, this isn’t to try to deflect the thread. Just adding perspective to Historical events engulfing the ME and those courageous people like Lara and Temoris who run towards the fire.)

  63. How long is this idiotic thread going to go on? Don’t you people have jobs? Seriously. It’s been nothing but drivel since Paul wrote his brilliant blow-by-blow on Feb 23. You should get a Pulitzer my friend. I laughed so hard that tonic water came out my nose. Then I felt terrible for laughing. I guess it’s that people laughing at inappropriate moments phenomenon. Planet of the Apes, my god, I am still laughing. Now I feel bad.

  64. my mistake, 2001, that’s what I meant. I think an ape with a bone must have smacked me around a bit

    • I hope you get to the bottom of your primate troubles. Not being sure of when apes smack you around with objects sounds like tough times. You’re all just pouring coffee in the morning and suddenly THWACK! and you look around….no one’s there. Yeah, that’d get old. My sympathies for your plight!

      • This post made me laugh.

        I wonder if I need help?

      • yeah, and when they get on my keyboard and start banging out long blog postings at midnight, things really get ugly. thankfully I bought a can of spay, Ape Off, which should do the trick.

  65. Awe. The Politico interview has been removed from YouTube via copyright infringement. It’s a shame because I think it offered a very intimate and human look at Ms. Logan’s personal views.

    here is a profile of her career:
    http://usliberals.about.com/od/thepressandjournalist1/p/LaraLogan.htm

    I could care less who has decided to criticize me on here. I know full well that my intentions have been good and I think I handled myself quite well in defending Ms. Logan from the claim that her story is hyperbole (espoused by Temoris) and the claim that she was raped (put forth by the fat guy in the video). If nothing else, I advocated for uncertainty over presumption. Yay, me, I am awesome. *Colbert bow*

  66. Ah, you can see the Politico interview here. She really seems like a nice person.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21502.html

  67. “On the web Kayla W wrote : “There is something suspicious about the Lara Logan alleged assault. There is no proof it really happened. There were thousands of people on the streets. Many with cell phone cameras. Hundreds of journalists with cameras and videos._But not one picture or video to verify any of this. (..) Imagine the price they would get for this happening to Lara._Could it be some false story started for some political gain? (…)””

  68. You are a fucking idiot.

    • I’m glad he didn’t say ‘All of yous are…’

      That would have been rather crushing; not to mention grammatically incorrect

      • This post made me laugh.

        I’m already certain I need help, but I’m equally confident that in this case I laughed because the post was whimsical.

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    • Rocky? Is that yous? It’s Adrienne.

  69. At least now we have an answer to the question: “Was she raped?”

    Nationally syndicated radio host and author, Darla Shine, has let it slip on her website, that she has friends who work on television and who actually know Lara.

    Quotes –

    Q). Was she actually raped?
    A). Yes. I heard from my friends in TV that she was raped several times by different men.

    http://www.happyhousewivesclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=391819

    • Again, I would not assume anything until there is a specific statement from LL. This is again hearsay. If it is true, of course it is awful, but it just puts more pressure on CBS to clarify basic details of the attack. Facts would go a long way to silencing the questions and move on with the healing process for everyone.

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    • I’m going to be really ‘catty’ and simply say I wouldn’t believe any woman who worked in media if this is the best photograph they can find of themselves to put on the front page of their website.

      http://www.darlashine.com/

      Bitch instinct says, maybe not.

    • Knowing how women like to gossip and are unable to hold any little secret in for more than 5 minutes, it is obvious that this Darla woman has let the cat out of the bag.

      “Brutal and Sustained Sexual Assault” can mean only one thing and Darla has just confirmed what we all thought to begin with. It appears that Lara’s ordeal was indeed as violent and traumatizing as many feared. Yes, now I firmly believe that she WAS indeed gang-violated.

      It’s such a shame..

      • Yes, that is why you are still speculating TWO WEEKS later about Lara Logan because women can’t hold a secret for more than 5 MINUTES.

        Is this you NINE using yet ANOTHER nick on this thread?

        Surely, this thread can’t be attracting that many non compos mentis nitwits?

      • Actually, no. I only used “nine” and “dood” and only used “dood” for the quick “PWNED!” joke (couldn’t resist) then again to make fun of myself for using “dood” in the first place.

        I’m not sure whether BillyBob is being serious or facetious; I assumed the latter because… nobody is really named BillyBob anymore. It’s kind of a euphemism for less educated country people types (like “redneck” or “hick”). I’m pretty sure he’s kidding around… which is why I didn’t respond to him. If he is serious, wow…

        BillyBob,

        Dude, I don’t think her “tv people” is anyone at CBS. She’s (apparently) a nationally syndicated radio host but her TV people are more than likely just speculating from their insider perspectives. I doubt she spoke with anyone who spoke with Lara. I’m sure a mere handful of people at CBS know much more about the situation than we do. I mean, for all we know, she means her cable guy.

      • It says on her website she quit her radio show a few weeks prior to September 19th, 2009.

        Some nationally syndicating hot babe in the know she turned out to be then!

        I bet I could get greater national syndicating audience by walking out the front door wearing nothing but a black little dress and a smile on my face – international syndication if just wore the smile on my face.

      • @Octopius

        I wouldn’t get to see it unless you went for international syndication so…

      • @nine

        *Slowly nods her head with placate facial expression in revelation to the fairness of the logic in that statement.

        Quite clever. Well done.

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  70. Yeesh.

    “There is the recent case of Umar Cheema, a critical reporter for the largest English-language Pakistani newspaper, The News, who suffered torture and sexual assault in September when he was kidnapped in Islamabad: “As I was stripped naked and being tortured on the back with my head down totally blindfolded, the ringleader directed one of his fellow to molest me,” which they did, sodomizing him with a wooden pole, Cheema told CPJ.”

    http://www.cpj.org/blog/2011/02/documenting-sexual-violence-against-journalists.php

    • The Committee to Protect Journalists is alarmed by news that CBS correspondent and CPJ board member Lara Logan was sexually assaulted and beaten in Cairo on Friday while covering rallies marking the resignation of Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak. “We have seen Lara’s compassion at work while helping journalists who have faced brutal aggression while doing their jobs,” CPJ Chairman Paul Steiger said. “She is a brilliant, courageous, and committed reporter. Our thoughts are with Lara as she recovers.”

      Logan joined the CPJ board in October 2008. That same year she spearheaded an effort to raise funds to pay for multiple surgeries for an injured Iraqi reporter, Jehad Ali, whom she befriended while reporting in Iraq. Ali eventually made a full recovery. Logan currently serves on CPJ’s Journalist Assistance Committee, which oversees the program that provides financial and other support to journalists around the world who have been victims of violence and repression.

      http://www.cpj.org/2011/02/cpj-alarmed-by-attack-on-lara-logan-of-cbs-news.php

  71. This interview seems almost prophetic, looking at it now.

  72. Anderson Cooper talking about the night he and his crew were attacked:

    “People came from all around, surrounding us, punching us, kicking us, trying to rip the clothes off my female producer. It was weird. And we were lucky, frankly.”

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/02/anderson-cooper-talks-to-letterman-about-being-pummeled-/1

  73. Hmmm… a few things on this Darla Shine

    1. She’s a miserable person. Either she’s a gossipy liar or a back-stabbing heinous bitch for being so casual with that kind of information.
    2. When it comes to un-named sources, which is what Darla’s got going on, I’ll take the Wall Street Journal over some critter I’ve never even heard of until this post.
    3. Here’s something for all the voyeurs to consider: You ever seen someone who’s suffered severe trauma or a concussion? Half the time they don’t know what the hell happened to them. For all we know, Lara Logan remembers her assault up to some specific smack-to–her-head and its just a blackout, a blank in time from there. Then all you know is you’re in total pain – everywhere – from head to foot.

    Lara Logan might be wondering what happened to her. Either way, who cares? Outside of whodunnit and who-saved her I’d really leave Logan alone on this count. And people will continue to employ disgusting sexual violence – on women especially – as a control mechanism so long as we put it on a little pedestal to cry over. Maybe ‘all’ that happened to Lara Logan is she got all her teeth kicked out. I mean, is this better? Somehow less heinous? C’mon man. Leave it alone people.

    • “You ever seen someone who’s suffered severe trauma or a concussion? Half the time they don’t know what the hell happened to them. …”

      Good point. In the overwhelming majority of cases, concussions yield amnesia for variable periods before and after the concussing blow. Generally, the more severe the concussion, the longer the amnesia encompassing the impact.

      Has implications regarding trauma. Obviously, the less serious her physical injuries, the better. Oddly, though, there’s an appeal. If that phenomenon applies, one might hope it could have prevented the resulting psychological trauma from being even more severe.

      On the other hand, I selfishly hope she is at some point able — and emotionally ready — to identify her attackers. Clearly, they need rehabilitation.

      That’s usually accomplished with a guillotine, right? Wooden shackles in a public square, at least?

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  74. We are famous!

    My little friend on Youtube – Fat Boy – with the controversial video posted above in this thread has sent me this link:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/lara-logan-attacked-again-this-time-by-yellow-journalists/

    I would love to stay and write how I think all of what has been written is a gross misinterpretation and representation of Témoris’s article, but I am sitting wearing nothing but panties and a pj top looking rather drab, and I have no idea when the camera crews are going to unexpectedly arrive and demand I explain my contributions to this thread.

    Dull men on their high horse speaking out of their ass – a girl’s dream.

    So happy!

    • Yeah, that Dan Abrams guy made his mark originally as lawyer in OJ trial.

      You know what’s funny about all that? Abrams is sitting around complaining about what Temoris wrote but Temoris doesn’t even know. Because he’s a real journalist and off in Libya right now while the Libyan Army apparently is leveling anti-aircraft guns at its own people in an exploding civil war. Abrams just wishes he was real journalist…you know, going places, seeing things…writing about them. Abrams is a joke.

    • “We are famous!”

      Marvelous. The erudition in evidence should start dropping any moment.

      • Yes!

        After we have completed our tour of appearances with all the morning and late night talk show hosts on all five continents, and after releasing an audio version as well as an animated DVD version of this thread, I think we should seriously consider getting back to speculating about what happened to Lara.

  75. From YouTube –

    An Australian News channel has finally transcended all the political correctness and has openely declared that which we all now know.. “She was RAPED”.

    Check it out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqDdz-kGNJc&feature=r­elated

    • This was posted over twelve days ago and refers to a News Flash that was broadcast four days after events in Tahrir Square.

      Allow me to forsake some of my beauty sleep and explain:

      Firstly, if you remember, CBS had remained silent on the matter for four days.

      Secondly, she was obviously misquoting the CBS official communiqué which has only ever stated Logan “suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault”.

      Thirdly, these are the same people who produce our 60 Minutes program. The same people whose ethical standards are guided by the maxim, “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story”, or, “It is ok to truncate a news story beyond comprehensibility if that means cramming in a few more television commercials.”

      Please! I am busy, I have to make myself look pretty for all the camera crews interested in my contributions to this thread.

      And, I haven’t got a thing to wear!

  76. Octopius,

    a quick question..

    (If seen your posts on YouTube as well)

    Do you work for CBS or for the US Government?

    You seem to be doing everything you can (including not sleeping) to play down this awful aggression. Have you been hired to systematically dismantle every piece of information that trickles through as well as every indication that this woman was indeed raped.

    You’re a woman and I thought of all people, women would be a bit more respectful of another female’s ordeal. You keep saying, “Ah, nothing happened to her.. She was barely fondled.. It was just a few cat-calls.. Bla bla bla”

    What’s your deal? What’s your agenda?
    Why don’t you want this information to get out?

    • Mmmmmmm… well, I don’t think it would be too difficult to figure out the profession I work in if I am bit of a stickler for the facts. Not that my profession really cares for the facts unless it suits their side of the story.

      At no stage have I cast any doubts with regards to the severity of Ms Logan’s ordeal, or the injuries she sustained. I just don’t know what they maybe. And, nor do you, may I add.

      But rather than condemn her to an ordeal or fate worse – or better – than what she indeed experienced; an ordeal or fate unsubstantiated or uncorroborated by even a single shred of authenticated information, I prefer to live in hope things are better for her rather than surrender her plight to my worst fears.

      • @Octopius

        ” … Well, I don’t think it would be too difficult to figure out the profession I work in if I am bit of a stickler for the facts.”

        He, or she, didn’t ask your profession. He asked if you “work for CBS or for the US Government?”

        Personally, I don’t care. Didn’t occur to me. I just find your evasive maneuvers interesting. :-]

      • Yes, I grant what I wrote with regards to my profession may appear a little evasive.

        However, I fail to comprehend why any suggestion is being made CBS or the US Government would be actively engaged in a campaign of disinformation when they are doing quite swimmingly with no information being available at all.

      • Oh. Didn’t notice right away there’s an answer.

        Okay. It seems you simply would prefer not to answer that inquiry. Fair enough. ;-]

  77. Right so what you’re really saying is that you would rather live in a fairytale land..

    She has been out of sight for 15 days now.
    Not a statement, not a picture, nothing.
    How traumatized must she be?

    Do you really believe that her aggression was simply a 5-minute “fondle”.

    All I want from the News Corporations is a simple “Yes” or “No”.
    I don’t want the gory details..

    News is news, and it bothers me when those who hold important information choose to withhold it from the masses. That’s an insult to our intelligence and I for one do not wish to be anyone’s puppet.

    If this is the norm, then how many other events in the world which we, the audience, are entitled to know have been kept from us?

    This is not journalism and people like you (sorry to say this) only make “them” stronger. If something doesn’t add up then you should not be afraid to ask uncomfortable questions. And in this case, MANY things do NOT add up.

    The worst thing of all is that every other news “competitor” has simply relayed what CBS have stated and not a single media outlet, not in the US or anywhere else in the world, has attempted an independent investigation into this case.
    That is what shocks me the most..

    • The particular minutiae of Logan’s assault isn’t ‘important’ information outside of her own confidence and confidants to anybody.

      You know though, I wrote out a pretty detailed scenario farther up thread about what happened. But I’m not so sure. I was thinking whole time her previous detention and deportation was from Alexandria, not Cairo. But she was detained in Cairo, by the Army. Accused of being all kinds of things. Detention all night in undisclosed location. When you get deported, they don’t want to see you again especially in a disintegrating police state. Logan was very clear in Esquire interview; she wasn’t detained by cops or anybody like that. But the Army.

      When she went back to Egypt, she notified Egyptian embassy. They couldn’t get her press credentials, too backed up with such requests. But they said something to effect of “they’ll help us out on the ground” ground being Egypt. That is interesting observation because Egyptian Government (which at that point was Army more-or-less) knew she was going and was apparently going to alert elements in Egypt to her arrival.

      Logan booked overnighter to Egypt. Logan was there but one day before all this went down, her flight arrived in Cairo that very morning. She probably was in her hotel only long enough to drop off baggage and get tools-of-her-trade ready to go and out the door she undoubtedly went. To Tahrir and the crowd given word-of-mouth I’m sure was spreading that Hosni’s exit was imminent.

      That Esquire interview is last public statement by Logan. Everything that happened not just that night but during that day from her landing in Cairo is mystery. But when you add up all those little things, I do wonder if she was targeted by regime elements. Maybe not even Officially so-to-speak, but by someone(s) who interacted with her earlier that week, found her pushy and needing to be put in her place. And then when these someone(s) found themselves with their patron deposed and full of anger as they entered the square…well Lara Logan does stick out in a crowd doesn’t she? Any crowd much less Egyptian one.

      Like I said, I thought her official troubles were in Alexandria earlier in the week, not Cairo. But it was Cairo, and in my mind that changes dynamic of who-why could have done this to Logan. Such scenario – unfortunately – makes sense in light of info-vacuum. After all, it is the Army that runs things now. Very delicate the fate of Egypt, and USA has much at stake. Perhaps embarrassing the Army over one relatively-little-oops by some frustrated elements in Army is not worth rocking boat given the stakes, diplomatically so-to-speak. Perhaps such accounting is taking place behind closed doors, given the USA and Egypt – specifically the Egyptian Army – are so close institutionally.

      Charles was right man! UFO’s landing now! Ahhh, conspiracies.

      • Yeah, I don’t know but Logan’s quote here is kind creepy:

        “”The army as an institution is not on the peoples’ side. The army is on its own side. They want to be with the winners. That’s who they’re going to stand with. If it looks like it’s going to be the people, they’re with the people. If it looks like it’s going to be Mubarak, they’re with Mubarak.” That can get ugly, quickly. “Oh, it can. There could be a military coup on the way and we don’t even know it at this point. The army’s playing to win.” Lara’s gotta go. Cell phones off. Besides, Logan knows, as we touch upon a last point: She’ll need that thing where she’s going. “This is the Tiananmen Square of the cyber age. There’s no question.” She’s doing the duck-and-answer on the plana, the one where you avoid a flight attendant on the prowl for deviants like her. We can’t help but get one more question in: Is CBS insured for this shit? Are you insane? “You know,” Logan smiles — probably a psychotic one simultaneously charming and otherworldly opaque — “I don’t worry about things like that,” she says. Among other things, like a cozy desk job, sane decisions, punditry, reluctance, and other luxuries she doesn’t really have time for, “that’s fortunately not in my lane.”

        Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/lara-logan-egypt-5219471#ixzz1F6jouTae

      • And this one’s scariest of them all:

        Last time we had to leave because the problem we had was that they had photographed us, they were tracking us, they said they would find us wherever we went and we had no paperwork. This time, we are going in to interview the head of the ruling party, these people have said they will do their utmost to assist us and to protect us. They’re not giving any guarantees, but definitely that helps, since the current regime is still in power. [As long as] the ruling party is still the ruling power, then that stands for something. If that’s no longer the case by the time we land, if they’re out, then it’s not an issue anymore. We’re not pretending to be tourists and we’re not saying we’re not journalists, that we’re not saying we’re not there to cover the protests. It’s very obvious why we’re there, and we can say we know the Egyptian government knows why we’re there, and we can say we have names and numbers we can give them of people they can call.”

    • Oh darling, as a woman, you are little bit late joining the gallery of enervating critics who have volunteered to enlighten me by tact of casting aspersions in regards to the dimensions of the potential reality in which I may exist, so allow me to acquiesce by flagging my favourite appraisal made of me by my critics – thereby sparring the poor readers of this thread further aggravation in having to contend with more irrelevant dialogue pertaining to its subject matter – which is my skills, both professionally as well as generally, pale dramatically in significance in comparison to the quality of my tits.

      I do have great tits!

      • Holy crud. Death By Sentence.

        Give me periods (as in the written sort; I know how you think, Octopius), or give me death. Or saline.

      • By the way, now that I’ve ctrl-tabbed back to this page: it’s slyly self-aggrandizing of you to claim that the aspersions favored by your critics convey merely that your talents fail to impress to the extent that your “great tits” do.

        Gad, your critics are vicious.

      • Yes, that is exactly what is implied.

        It is not intended, nor is taken, as a compliment by any stretch of the imagination. It simply is a little less effusive than the ‘compliments’ I receive from my admirers which contain the words, slut, bitch and whore in them.

      • “It simply is a little less effusive than the ‘compliments’ I receive from my admirers which contain the words, slut, bitch and whore in them.”

        Have you a great many admirers?

      • Mmmmmmm…

        I work with very egocentric individuals in a highly testosterone infused environment.

        My admirers fluctuate depending on the length of the skirt I wear on any given day.

        Some days I am quite popular!

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    • Preach, TW. Some important perspectives there. It’s heartening to see people who consider and care about those significant issues speak out.

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  78. I was thinking about the impeding aftermath. In decades past, an incident like this would have definitely put a swift end to a woman’s career. There’d be a book deal, a few Lifetime movies loosely based on the incident and maybe a feature film based on true events; she’d be taken care of and her story (the story of the incident) would be used to further the causes of women around the world but her career would be over and her impact as a professional would be over (especially if she actually had been gang raped). That’s why female correspondents have traditionally opted not to report these crimes. It’s why they’ve had friends and colleagues cover for them.

    But, maybe, just maybe, we’ve progressed enough as a society that we (or those who think they know what we want on our network television news programs) could deal with it. In fact, Lara returning after all this could be the most powerful “shot heard around the world” for women that we’ve seen in ages. I mean, I’m not sure anything like this has ever happened before to someone with such a powerful position in our society. It’s an opportunity to make some of the boldest statements of all time for women, women here and around the world. That’s exciting.

    Of course, we all feel bad that she was treated in such a way but the reality is that she could have been crippled or killed so we’re lucky to have her back in one piece and that’s something to feel good about. She survived and that’s all you have to do to be a hero when faced with such an attack.

    They could try to make her into this somber suffering martyr or they can let her get out there and do what she loves, shine a light into the darkness. I hope CBS will let her keep working. I know she’ll want to get back out there: she’s reportedly said as much.

    “The CBS war correspondent who is back home with her kids and recovering after being brutally attacked last week in Egypt has vowed to return to work ‘within weeks.'”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/cbs_news_reporter_lara_logan_hdddQX0FQ4E4fp8mUpuiLL#ixzz1F7JitIjY

    She can do whatever she wants and take as long as she needs. But, man, I hope she doesn’t let this slow her down, even uses it to her advantage. I hope she lets everyone know that she’s not going to be defined by the attempts to humiliate her but the tenacity to survive and the guts it will take for her to keep fighting the good fight.

    • Great stuff, nine!

      Now I have to buy a d@mn cervical collar. Halfway through the second paragraph I sprained by neck nodding in agreement.

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    • Does this post show up? It says it’s awaiting moderation.

      • It occurs no one has mentioned it shows, likely having left you under the false impression you couldn’t post. Poor nine.

        Or at least, what shows is, “Does this post show up? It says it’s awaiting moderation.”

      • I posted the following videos:

      • And these:

      • As well as these…

      • Those videos lend a lot of perspective. You can see other journalists confronted by regime supporters. You can also see that young and attractive Egyptian women dress similarly to how Lara Logan was dressed that night. Also, you can see that the demonstrators were just as willing to suffer or die for the cause. On Facebook, there have been communities set up where Egyptians are apologizing to Ms. Logan for the attack by their countrymen and offering their support.

  79. The temptation was too much for my mostly idle fingers in my slouch-around-the house-in-uggs-and-not-much-else weekend. I had to extend my appreciation to Dan Abrams in making us famous.

    This is what I wrote:

    You’ve made us all feel so very, very special over on the Témoris Grecko thread. I really can’t thank you enough.

    None of what you have insinuated is true.

    Mr Grecko’s article represents – and still represents – the only salient voice in a cacophony of hysterical accusations, assumptions and false reporting which has surrounded Ms Logan’s ordeals in Tahrir Square on the 11th February.

    As the only eyewitness account to appear in publication anywhere in the world with regards to those events that night, Mr Grecko’s article provides an insightful perspective to the civility and order the vast majority of people were going about their business that night in Tahrir Square.

    All any reasonable person would adduce from Mr Grecko’s article is of the genuine dismay, he, along with a number of other people with whom he later spoke, subsequently felt in learning things had been anything other than what they had seemed, at the time. Or could deteriorate so inexplicably.

    • Version Alteration:

      On Abrams website this paragraph reads:

      As the only eyewitness account to appear in publication anywhere in the world with regards to those events that night, Mr Grecko’s article provides an insightful perspective to the civility and order WITH WHICH the vast majority of people were going about their business that night in Tahrir Square.

      • Admittedly covered territory, in part, but then so is the content to which I’m responding:

        Whatever happened to Ms. Logan indicates nothing insofar as the proportion of the Tahrir Square throng disposed to commit such an atrocity. I, like you, choose to imagine that proportion is small until provided evidence to the contrary beyond prospectively unrelated observations about fundamentalist Islam misogyny.

        Among your responses to Dan Abrams’ commentary is, “none of what you have insinuated is true.” What are the insinuations you have in mind?

  80. Hey….in case anyone hasn’t noticed? Temoris is in Libya. Updated last post via satellite truck in middle of nowhere. Wars going on BTW. For the fate of the Middle East as we’ve known it our whole lives.

    Iran’s Bushehr has to be shut-down apparently. Pull some rods and such, miss that whole radio-bullet before it hits. Who woulda thought? And North Korea is thinking of attacking ROK if US-MIL-exercises go through tomorrow with USA as scheduled. It sucks being a superpower doesn’t it? (No offense Octopius…apparently you are superpower all your own on this thread). It is chore beingsuperpower everywhere else though. Sleep tight Obama. 3AM comes sooner than one thought apparently.

    And last thought there. I wish Ms. Logan was where I think we all know she’d rather be than nursing various mysterious mysteries on her person: Seeing these miserable places and rough history. I wish her the best in the strangest way one could wish: I hope you’re in Libya getting shot at soon. Just to tell us about it. Good luck Ms. Logan if you still wish for such. If not, whatever you wish I hope for right soon. Get better.

    Oh, and go screw yourself Dan Abrams.

    • Paul,

      I would never get anything done during the day if I stopped to ask every person who made an innuendo or snide comment in audible proximity to my person as to what they meant by that remark, but since I am just sitting here contemplating whether I should do anything tonight about my rather frightful appearances, mostly my hair which is now tossed and tizzed in a sort of retrograde Hurricane Katrina style, or whether I just slum it to bed and do it all tomorrow morning, maybe you can explain what you actually do mean by your comment “No offense Octopius…apparently you are superpower all your own on this thread”.

      I understand I am not suppose to take offence, but you’ve said it as an aside to convey or make known some level of disapproval you have with me. Maybe, you will be so kind to extend me the courtesy of elucidating further as to what that actually happens to be.

      I won’t counter anything you choose to say.

      I’ll accept it quite demurely.

      Please!

  81. @ Octopius

    Why are you liaising with us like this?????!!!!!!!!
    AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    It takes you 5 paragraphs to say.. well… NOTHING!

    I get headaches just trying to decipher your comments.
    Are you married?
    Does your poor husband walk around the house with ear-plugs?

    If you speak the way you right you must be a one-woman catastrophe..
    I can’t even imagine what it must be like to spend a 2-hour candle-lit dinner with you rambling on and on.. about your goddamn hair and your daily chores!

    Who gives a F…?!

    For the love of humanity, put a sock in it!!!!!!

    (I think I might be in love with you deep down, he he he…)

    • @TW Pitch-perfect. :-D

      (BTW, all, emoticons, in informal correspondence, are underrated and over-maligned.)

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  82. If you speak the way you “WRITE”!!!!

    BEFORE you correct me, HAH!

    • @TW225

      Allow me to inflame your now embryonic passions for me along the jaded paths to obsession before I take a shower and have to go to work – Monday morning here – where I do respectfully have to mind my place:

      I am one of those slim, long legged, long haired, big tit, cute ass, pretty faced, effervescent, well-spoken, well-educated, illuminatingly bright – most of the time – indoors/outdoors doesn’t much matter type of women, who, gives good head.

      I ask you, what male is going to mind my slightly loquacious tendencies – ever?

      • “I ask you, what male is going to mind my slightly loquacious tendencies – ever?”

        Those among us who need not, for so many reasons. (An invitation for an insipid sexual orientation insinuation, indeed.) As well, those not cowed by women overplaying sexuality for effect.

        Be assured, such men exist. I suspect TW, for one. He seems sharp.

      • Oh, for god sake,

        Why the need for all the analytics?

        Ever heard of Cyndi Lauper’s song, “Girls just want to have fun”. I suggest you have a listen.

        I was responding in kind to TW225.

        There is a bit of science to it, but I am sure you will get one day!

      • …but I am sure you will GET IT one day!

      • Awwww. Got under your skin a little, huh? That was easy. :-]

      • Yes, if you must know, you did get under my skin. But, not for the reasons you think.

        If, you check the timestamp of the post below, I had just written you something nice. Only because I felt like a bit of stuck-up bitch for not really having wanted to engage you in conversation to any great extent.

        So, here it is, after having written a short description of myself in response to TW225 – the blatantness of which was atrocious – to counter in the briefest and shortest time possible what he had written, so I am ready in time for my ride to work; some fool like you has written something in response and in such away that changed the entire tone of what it is I had intended.

        I wouldn’t have a goddamn male friend left in the world if they seriously thought that is how I’ve assessed my relations with men to be. Besides, I am not one of these stupid bitches that ramble on ad nauseam as TW225 accused me of being. But rather than get into any of that crap with him, I thought I’d write what I wrote.

        How you could possible write what you wrote in response still leaves me astounded.

      • You’re full of yourself in some amazing ways. My 2:00 AM response to another of your pompous rants should suffice.

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  83. I now notice my reply doesn’t show threaded with yours, though, indicating what if anything I don’t know. Oh well.

    • @WJ

      I just read your comments to sillyhaha71 way up in the thread.

      Well done. I wanted to say something similar because I really liked Janet’s post.

      You know, if any you guys were gentleman – and lived in Australia – you would rescue me from today. I so much don’t want to have to flip the switch and go back to the world of the hustle and bustle.

      This has been quite cosy chatting on this thread.

      Sorry TW225, I’m not gone yet.

      *smiles

      You guys have a good week!

      • @Octopius

        I think, if anything, people are annoyed that you keep trying to make this thread about you and not Ms. Logan. None of us came into a thread on the topic of rape and assault to be flirted with or become obsessed with your “great tits” or the fact that you are scantily dressed. In fact, your constant reminders that you’re “hot” just seem out of place here. Also, a veteran of all things Internet, I find that most anonymous people overtly stressing the idea that they are super attractive women with super great vocabularies and professional careers with Lara Croft like accents tend to be dudes living out some kind of fantasy role playing… thing. Man, dude, this is not the place for your little game. Take it over to 4-chan.

        That being said, I’ve enjoyed going back and forth with you and you’d have my attention if this were a bar. I just don’t feel comfortable flirting and teasing with some woman, any woman, on a thread where we are discussing the fate of a possible rape victim, violent assault, a movement toward civil rights, etc. I mean, and, none of us men live in Australia anyway… so… you being hot matters about as much to us as the queen of England wearing a thong under her frilly gown. We’re never going to see it so nobody cares.

        I’ve enjoyed some of what you contributed to the thread. You seem intelligent and witty. I’d be happy to continue discussing the topic at hand but, come on, Octopius, do you have to be the center of attention? Even here? Let it go. If you want that type of attention, I’ll give you my number. You can fly me out to Australia for a date.

      • @nine: Hear, hear! (I say as a Yank.)

      • @Nine

        I am only responding to what it is you have written because I was aware before I left home this morning, I hadn’t acknowledged Paul’s response to the question I had asked. I really hadn’t known how. So, thank you for volunteering of your own volition to detail what it is you found objectionable about me. You have provided me, at least, with the opportunity of adhering to a minimal standard of politeness, which I subscribe when I’ve seen fit to trouble someone with something, as I did with Paul.

        Honestly, I half expected Paul to answer something similar to what it is you have done. That is why I asked him what is he had meant by what he had said in that post. I was glad, in response, he didn’t say as much because I am well aware my presence, both in the real world as well as my limited experience in the virtual world, is prone to irritate some people when the attention does switch to me. It has always been an issue for me, which, astoundingly, has proved to be an issue online, as well. Believe it or not, I am conscious to not tread on other people’s fragile space, since I seem to do it so easily, and without much effort.

        I don’t want my last words on this thread to be negative, but I have noticed you have cluttered the thread with unnecessary and irrelevant video footage of Tahrir Square and whatever. Seriously, your infatuations with Ms Logan border on the ‘scary’ obsessional. As a woman – believe it or not – I can assure you, without a hesitation of a doubt, you represent our worst fears in men. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than to be aware there were people eagerly awaiting every salacious detail to emerge about how I was brutalised and raped. I would have the most difficult time coping with that reality. You say you care for Ms Logan’s welfare, then go and strip down and rebuild an engine or something or whatever men do. You have said way more on this thread using multiple identities than can be considered ‘safe’.

        Anyway, I’ve done exactly what it is you object to about me, which is focus your attention on something other than Ms Logan. I, honestly, can’t say I’m sorry.

      • Take no discomfort, nine. Octopius’s response is unconvincing, even obvious.

      • You are creepy!

        I am so relieved to know, wherever you are in the world, a huge body of water exists between you and me.

      • @Octopius

        Typical. Trying to shift the creepy on me when you’re the obvious creep here. Does this work for you irl? Nothing I’ve said or done here is even remotely creepy. Meanwhile, you’re on a thread about rape bragging about your tit and trying to turn people on by saying you’re not wearing any clothes. Whatever, dude. Nobody’s buying it.

      • @Nine,

        Sorry, that last post ‘creepy’ wasn’t in reference to you.

        It was targeted at WJ.

        Why would I find you creepy?

        You are obsessed with Lara.

        I’m not responding to anything else, I did however want to clarify that for you.

      • @Octopius

        I am not obsessed with Lara. A brief look at my personal blogs and web sites could easily convince someone that I am “obsessed” with any number of things. The truth is just that I am a writer. I love to write. I’m also someone intrigued enough by the world around me to research the things that capture my attention. One of my degrees is heavily centered on research and analysis and the other is related to publishing. I am not a journalist myself but I am a writer and I do often write social commentary.

        I’ll admit that I do find Ms. Logan to be an attractive woman, more for her sense of adventure and her courage and her intellect than her good looks but, yea, she is certainly a looker as well. And, yea, my protective instincts kick in when I hear about a cool chick getting beat up, sorry. That’s not creepy. It’s just a bit of a heroic streak.

        If you aren’t secretly a dude or looking for attention then don’t feel brushed off in the slightest. Just don’t expect me to respond to you differently than I would anyone else in here and we’ll be fine.

      • Yes, clearly, calling you out is “creepy,” Octopius. Obviously frustrating for you to stumble on a group not interested in your puerile, narcissistic, inapropos blather.

        Your last roughly on-topic, non-self-obsessed post was the one you left 2-27-11 at 5:51 AM. I’m sure you would find everyone more welcoming of such commentary.

        Nine: Octopius strikes me as inclined to accuse anyone not obsessed with her (or “her”) of being “obsessed” with whomever else is central to the discussion.

      • @Nine

        I had essentially finished with the thread yesterday. It was around 6PM Sunday night my time. This coincides with me posting that piece on Abrams website and a copy of it here.

        That was it for me.

        I’m not a big participant on the Internet: no dating, no social networking, no regular chat forums. Exactly as I have said, I was happy to slum around the house this weekend. I was also curious to know what had happened to Lara Logan. Both events just happened to coincide.

        The only reason I have participated in this particular forum is because Témoris is the only eyewitness to those events that night to have published anything in the world. Those kinds of FACTS are IMPORTANT to me.

        Honestly, I find it amusingly ironic that the same people who have made all these speculations and suppositions about how Lara Logan was brutalised and raped without even a slither of authenticating information to substantiate any of what they have surmised, are the same people who have a conspiracy theory about me now despite HARD EVIDENCE existing in a whole swath of postings over the last forty-eight hours.

        And, the only reason a conspiracy theory exists is because I let known I was attractive in ploy of stifling debate or argument or ending discussion. In other words, I mentioned it to STOP INTERACTION and not encourage it. No different to how I would use my appearance in real life to assert my control over something, or avoid having conversation or discussion with people I don’t care to, or alternatively, encourage the exact opposite.

        I think Sherlock Holmes mantle as super sleuth is far from being under threat from anything here on this thread.

        Goodbye

      • @Octopius

        Bullshit. We only mentioned the possibilities about what could have happened to Ms. Logan (in fairly clinical descriptions for the most part) to dispute the idea Temoris proposed that Lara (or CBS) had lied in order to cast a shadow on the revolution and that nothing could have possibly happened to her that night. We were defending her. We were the good guys. If we were too thorough or blunt about it for your taste, that speaks more to your immaturity than ours.

        As for the absence of “HARD EVIDENCE” …yea, dur. Exactly. That’s what we were trying to say: anything could have happened. Temoris was trying to jump to conclusions, to say this was all some huge conspiracy and not a legitimate attack (or a sexual attack) and that just… bordered on absurdity. I couldn’t let him fan flames around the world, causing people to repeat endlessly that some journalist on the ground saw the whole thing and nothing happened so we all need to blame the CIA and the media and… all that bullshit.

        As for your hopes of “stopping” the conversation or manipulating it or whatever else you’re going to say — whatever. Aside from your contribution, this thread amounts to the most logical and well-informed discussion on the topic on any public forum anywhere in the world right now. And, yes, that’s sad… but it is what it is. We were the ones putting out fires here (those Temoris lit with his suppositions). Your role in this amounts to some idiot running in and trying to distract the firemen. You totally misread the situation and responded to it in the most inappropriate ways possible.

        My theory will always be that you felt bitter that your initial attempts to impress and control the conversation failed so you lashed out. Seeing that your Jedi boob tricks weren’t working (because they only work on week-minded fools), you’re now playing the blame game. Ironies of ironies, you are blaming your victims.

        My best guess now is that you are secretly Glenn Beck.

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  84. Elstun Lauesen

    Grecko: A small clever lizard with an affinity for warm rocks.

  85. Janet Scrivener

    Well, this blog is still going on, and as yet there still seems to be no clarification surrounding the entire event of LL’s attack. Still no objective, medical description of the severity of her injuries. Which allows speculations to go on and on. Once you get past looking at a victim from the outside the ‘voyeuristic’ perspective usually goes away. But I would argue that the nature and extent of how she was attacked should shed some light on who the perpetrators were and how seriously they wanted to harm her.

    There are many possible lines of inquiry here – LL and her crew were already treated despicably the previous week by persons in charge and told to leave the country. It is entirely possible that instigation of the attack could have come from very personal events – people she may have already encountered in Cairo. After all, her recent statements indicated that in her observation, the Army was on its own side. And say what you like, I’m pretty certain that not everyone who was in Tahrir Square that night was a ‘celebrating protester.’ I personally wonder whether the attack on LL might eventually be traced right back to Mubarak himself. It’s true that press from all areas were being prevented from reporting. A personal attack on her could be so easily hidden under the reasoning that she is a good looking woman and a reporter. But I think this attack was intended to send a message – perhaps to several ‘audiences’ at once. 1) She herself, 2) reporters, 3) Western reporters, 4) anyone who wanted to let the rest of the world know what was going on in Cairo, 5) corporate US/West, 6) political US/West, and last but not least women – Egyptian women, any women. This could either be the old regimes ‘last hurrah’ – or the opening salvo of the new. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

    But still. Two weeks now and no facts forthcoming about any success or indeed any efforts to find the perpetrators. No facts forthcoming about how she is doing now, what sort of recuperation her injuries medically require. So – ongoing speculation, including even remarks from people who are willing to disbelieve the entire story. Which is simply evil. Look at her career. Do you think such a woman would simply disappear from public as some sort of publicity stunt? She certainly doesn’t need it. She’s already the best. It seems like everybody has some kind agenda in imagining how she was hurt and then rant about their favorite conjectures. I just want to know that she is getting better, and that the severity of what happened to her is not minimized and glossed over.

    Oh, and I was somewhat bemused to find myself reviled above as a “sick, wanna be voyeur. Also a man (!) posting with a feminine name in the hopes of being taken a bit more seriously on the issue of female sexual assault. EPIC FAIL.”
    Well. (a) A voyeur wants salacious details. An objective analyst wants facts. When a serious crime is committed, facts are critical. I would like to know that someone indeed does know the facts, that this assault against her is being treated as the crime it is, and that she is not being pressured in any way to hide or minimize her injuries out of ‘shame.’ The shame belongs entirely to her attackers. Also to those who find this attack on her somehow sexually stimulating. And to (b) that I “am a man posting with a feminine name. . . .” Boy Howdy! You sure caught me there! Nope. I am 100% a woman, I have more familiarity with female sexual assault than I want, and I know it takes a tremendous amount of courage, and usually time, for a woman to recover from it. LL is a hugely courageous woman, but I don’t want to see her be expected to ‘bounce back’ like this was just some minor accident – if it wasn’t. And it sure wasn’t, based on even the most conservative reports. (I’m not counting you people who say maybe it didn’t happen.) And every day that goes by without any real information that can confirm improvement of her condition is a day that I become more and more sad, having to believe that things with her are in fact not good at all – which unfortunately, is quite likely true.

    • That’s increasingly what I am thinking happened to Logan – regime elements. Where she was in the square is right down street from NDP HQ which was burned out to a husk by protesters. The Ritz Carlton right behind the banner Logan was at is actually under construction. If one could see in the dark in the photo I posted earlier in the thread one would see barricades and such to protect the work zone and keep people out. That’s where the checkpoint went down and uglier elements crept in after Mubarak fell, literally hundred meters tops from where Logan’s infamous picture was taken.

      I also think that may explain some other things. Such as lack of video or even anecdotal evidence of what happened to Logan. ‘Internal Security’ services world over are famous for taking cameras away, not waving them around. Much better shutterbug discipline – and wagging tongue discipline – with a crew like that.

      And CBS being quiet? Everyone else being quiet? I am thinking more and more that is internal politics between USA and Egypt, whose militaries are institutionally very close (anyone notice it was M1 Abrams tanks and M113 APC’s the Army was riding around the square in?). Four days before reporting probably let CBS – and elements at US-State and US-DoD – work their contacts and figure out what happened. The info-vacuum is total in Egypt as well. Search Logan’s name in Arabic, even in TLD = .eg or even the new Arabic TLD and its the same type of stuff on their forums and threads like what goes on here: ‘Stupid woman had it coming’ or ‘This makes Egypt look bad, oh crap’ but nothing about what actually happened.

      Mubarak and his top cronies are gone, but best I can tell that vast security-state apparatus is more or less intact. Logan very well may have recognized one or more of her attackers. She may not have recognized faces, just voices, from her detainment week before while blindfolded. Interesting note there: Reports say Logan was detained ‘in front of Israeli Embassy’ but that’s not really possible: Israeli’s embassy is suite on top of skyscraper some twenty floors above the street. An editor made an oops on that detail.

      And Hillary sending diplomats over to ‘figure out what went on?’ Yeah, and smooth ruffled feathers, burn some files, etc. If it was security apparatus elements that whacked Logan, the security apparatus – which runs Egypt alone now – would I am guessing placate the Americans by offering up the offender(s) who instigated this. And taking care of them behind closed doors Egypt-style: with a screwdriver, alligator clips, Die-Hard battery, and .45 ACP Stalin-style retirement package in dark dungeon somewhere. Then no one talks about it, and everything goes away. And the ‘new Egypt’ currently by the Old Army isn’t embarrassed at vulnerable time in that state’s re-emergence.

      Maybe we need to get Charles on the case. I feel like putting tin-foil hat on even considering these kinds of things. But the all-quiet is strange.

      • “… The all-quiet is strange.”

        Which continues to be what I find the most, shall we say, disquieting element.

    • @Janet

      Those of us truly concerned have said pretty much everything you are saying here over the course of this thread and we feel very much the same way you do. Thanks for echoing our sentiments.

      To address your idea that it was an attack by a pro-regime group… we agree. I think it’s fairly obvious. It’s definitely not an idea Liberals have cooked up to defend Islam, as pundits on the right have claimed. Pro-regime forces invaded the square on horseback. Plain clothes regime agents were filmed detaining a Google executive right on the street in broad daylight. You can pro-regime mobs confronting and blatantly attacking other journalists here:

      For anyone to argue that she was attacked by the protesters or based on Islamic values is insane. It’s obvious that she was attacked by supporters of the regime. Many reports have said so very plainly. Security had broken down that night and pro-regime mobs had infiltrated the square; that’s a known fact.

      I mean, scroll back to the last batch of videos I posted and you’ll see interviews with protesters. The women are dressed similarly to Lara so that didn’t provoke her attack. The men in the crowd are well behaved and focussed on the revolution. Sure, the possibility exists that some wild element of the pro-revolution crowd pegged Lara as a symbol of America’s financial support for the old regime and attacked her as a statement against our years of financial and political support for Mubarak but even that could not be blamed on the movement at large or Islam. It would simply be a case of violently misplaced aggression.

      However, given that it was a pro-Mubarak mob that attacked Anderson Cooper (see video) and a pro-Mubarak mob that attacked Christiane Amanpour (see video), I think it’s obvious what is the most likely thing to have happened. I think it’s obvious that she was attacked by pro-regime supporters out for revenge against those they viewed as responsible for the toppling of their regime: the foreign correspondents they saw as creating support for the movement abroad and praising the relatively peaceful demonstrations.

      Either way, it was brutal and unacceptable. But, what are we going to do about it now? They got away with it. It’s not like we’re going to bomb Egypt. We aren’t going to turn our backs on all the responsible people involved in the movement because a few lashed out. The regime is already toppled so we can’t do anything to them. Aside from identifying individuals on any footage of the incident that may exist out there (none has surfaced), there isn’t anything we can do in retaliation.

      All we can do, what we must do, as you have, is offer our support to Ms. Logan and hope for a full recovery.

      • I do have to admit, as a caveat, that medieval sects of Islam do still practice public flogging and this played a role in determining how Ms. Logan was assaulted but I don’t think that lends credibility to the idea that Islam was the determining motive for her attack. She was most definitely attacked by supporters of the deposed regime motivated by revenge.

        http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/sudan-flogging-video-provokes-heated-responses-web

        But, you know, I feel like I should remind the Conservatives out there that, throughout the great majority of centuries and right up until the civil rights movement in 20th century America, women were repressed in western society just as much as they were in Islamic societies. Look at how women are dressed in medieval Christian cultures… back when man could beat his wife with a stick as long as it wasn’t thicker than his thumb… and when women couldn’t own property or vote or speak out in church. Look at how the Puritans dressed their women. Look at how Amish people dress them today; they still won’t let their women show their ankles. The change came when progressive political movements took off here in America. It happened because of democracy.

        It’s taken longer for that progress (democracy) to find it’s way around the world but, rest assured, the “brown people” over in egypt are no more violent than we were here in America… back when it was perfectly legal to enslave, breed or kill black people. Remember? Remember when we used to hang them from trees for looking at our women the wrong way? And, do you remember all those old black and white movies with scenes involving manly men taking overly feisty women over their knees to administer a harsh spanking and put those women in their place?

        So, yea, get off your high horse, Americans. We used to put outspoken women in stocks out in the town square, whip them, beat them, throw tomatoes at them, and worse. Heck, we used to burn them at the stake and dunk them in oil. And, this was justified using the Bible.

        Egypt is vying for political freedom and increased civil rights. They are trying to move past their medieval traditions like we have (for the most part). They don’t have to give up Islam to do it any more than we have to give up Christianity. Christians have adapted. Islamic people could adapt just as easily. The important thing is human rights and civil rights. Those are political concerns. That’s what this revolution has been about. Political progress.

        Democracy was invented in Greece. Americans don’t own it. Islamic countries deserve it as much as we do. Support democratic movements in Islamic countries.

      • “Aside from identifying individuals on any footage of the incident that may exist out there (none has surfaced), there isn’t anything we can do in retaliation.”

        There is footage, just none for forum trolls like us. CBS has it. The infamous pic is a pull from running HD TV camera. Logan got separated from her crew. Someone instigated that, started that, and I am betting they are on that video.

      • @Paul

        Yea, I guess that’s true. It is definitely a capture from video. They could be identified and brought to justice using that footage, even though it’s highly unlikely that footage shows much of what happened past her being dragged away from her crew. It’s not like they need footage of the actual assault though — right. I didn’t think about that. Good point.

  86. Lara Logan describing Ray Bribiesca, her fearless cameraman, in an interview on her coverage of the war in Afghanistan:

    “He wasn’t reckless. He wasn’t stupid. He just wasn’t afraid.”

    [5:07 in this interview] http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6902206n

  87. Interesting Experiment.

    Check this out (Harassment is wrong!):

    • Exactly. 80% of women right here in America are victims of sexual harassment. That’s not much different from the statistics from Egypt everyone is talking about. And, Egypt is a much smaller country so, I mean, more of it is going on in America than over there. This attack was not something based on culture. It was a vindictive assault carried out by pri-regime thugs. Nothing more.

      • * pro-regime thugs

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    • I mean, look, last October there was the big story about the Richmond High School gang rape in California. This girl goes out to a dark parking lot with some friends after a school dance and gets viciously gang raped by a number of guys with a crowd watching. Nobody does anything. A woman, blocks away, heard a relative talking about it and reported it, called it in to 911. A lot of people responded appropriately online but, really, there was a lot of bad stuff as well. People were blaming the victim. People were blaming the urban area (black people) and the youth culture. This was right here in America.

      This is not about culture. It’s about civil rights and human rights and putting an end to the type of oppression the Mubarak regime represented to the people of Egypt.

  88. recap of julia

    Julia Feb 23:

    Don’t you and your friend feel guilty at all about seeing Lara Logan being attacked and not helping her? Or is this blog your way of coping with your guilt? By denying her attack and assault altogether? Does that make you feel better? I bet CBS’s statement was troubling for you. However, by not having the intimate details of her assault, you can argue that her attack is an exaggeration or a lie, or just flat out victim blaming – and how exactly do you protect yourself from a violent mob of men yelling “Israeli spy” when at a revolution? You know for a fact that you have absolutely no idea what happened before or after you saw Lara Logan for that split second and this is just a pathetic attempt to create doubt for your own self-serving purpose. I also would like nothing more than to find out there was no sexual assault, or physical assault for that matter, but I seriously doubt that is going to happen. By the way, did you get your cup of tea? I hope the mob that ran by you with Lara Logan did not disturb your teatime.

    Julia Feb 24:

    Witness accounts? You only briefly saw her for a couple seconds according to your witness account. The rest is second hand information from unknown sources, which no one with any intelligence actually believes. Not to state the obvious, but you seeing her for a couple seconds does not make you an authority on anything. You clearly have an agenda of downplaying her assault and casting doubt on the entire attack. If anything, the more you talk, the more you discredit yourself thanks to your rampant misogyny and high level of ignorance. Lara Logan owes you nothing. No explanation, no story, nothing.

    This story about news sources reporting that Logan was raped and this or that becoming “media truth” is your own invention. No real news source has stated anything but the quote “sexual assault.” The only issue is the vague wording of the CBS statement, which has allowed creepy bloggers like yourself to take liberties with the facts of the assault. That has nothing to do with Lara Logan. Lara Logan did not make the statement, her employer CBS did. If you have a problem with CBS’s choice of wording, then contact CBS and complain. But, of course, you will just continue your creepy misogynist blog making false claims that you witnessed the assault and that women lie about being sexually assaulted.

  89. Thanks for talking about this while everyone else seemed to ignore it.

  90. Janet Scrivener

    I know that many posting here have had thoughts similar to mine – what is it? Inductive reasoning? Have result, need scenarios? Have few facts. Am I right about that? But if the only ‘justice’ Lara Logan gets here is the identification of her attackers that at least will open the door for further actions, whether through any court system or imposed in some other way. And still it is so distressing that there is no news of or from her. No news is not always good news. I don’t want to see her and her story thrown away like road-kill. What reporters are still following her story?

    I know the river of horrifying events in north Africa is swelling at a ferocious rate and there are always new atrocities to report. And I have seen some recent good articles looking at the working conditions and risks for women reporters in more detail, but by and large, such things are hidden or dropped very quickly in the press. So perhaps what we are now being able to identify by its very absence is only what has always been absent. But it still doesn’t feel right to me.

    What would I like further developments of this story to achieve? Well, in a reasonable (and therefore totally fictional) world, I’d like it to ultimately lead to the identification of perpetrators of the attack and their true motivations on the one hand, and on the other the fair treatment of LL herself, honoring her sacrifice and respecting her courage, and a complete cessation of the ‘blame the victim’ comments. I mean really – would anyone say to a soldier who got both legs blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan, “Too bad, so sad?” After all, he volunteered to be there. And she volunteered to be back in Cairo. Both are professionals. Both knowingly took huge risks. Both to me are heros. While my first objective may not be possible to achieve, I can see no honest reason why the second should not be entirely possible.

  91. Some have noted that so far in all of this discussion we have heard nor seen any objective medical evidence regarding the attack on Lara Logan and her condition. I am not a doctor, but am familiar with studying combat fatigue and PTSD cases in line with my professional historical research. With that said, let me postulate three possible scenarios from a historian’s point of view:

    1.. It happened largely as CBS described. This scenario has significant holes as will be noted with the other two possibilities, thus I will not go into significant detail on this scenario. Suffice it to say, had Logan been physically assaulted for 20-30 minutes, she would have been in very bad shape indeed. If she had been kicked and beaten with sticks and poles for 10 minutes I dare say she probably would have been dead, much like the girl in Pakistan who died after receiving 50-60 blows of a twisted, knotted wet towel. Therefore, this leads to the next two scenarios.

    2.. It was far worse than CBS described. This is suggested by the following items (and assuming the assault did occur). First, when she arrived back in the U.S. she was described as “in shock and not speaking.” This is indicative of aphonia, or inability to speak after significant trauma. Aphonia usually fades after a few hours, yet she arrived back in the U.S. about 20-24 hours after the reported attack still unable to speak. Further indications of aphonia appear later. For example, we have been told that CBS leaders were unaware how serious her injuries were up to the point of putting out their press release four days after the incident. This would imply that Logan was unable to explain what happened until that time, suggesting a serious case of aphonia. Such aphonia would probably be the result of severe trauma that has intense psychological repercussions. If this is indeed the case, then the claim she was not raped is probably false. Not only was she severely beaten but raped as well, and CBS is covering this up for whatever reason. Indeed, the rape may have saved her life, as the beatings would have largely stopped at that point. The lack of any audio tape from her after the fact, such as “I’m recovering well and thank all those well-wishers” suggests she is emotionally unable to do so. Moreover, we see no post-incident photos of her lest we see how badly injured she truly is.

    3.. It was far milder than CBS described. This is suggested by the evidence presented on this blog, even if slanted by some, and by the decided LACK of cell phone video or audio of the assault. It is incredible that after all this time I have yet to see anything convincing, other than a few small postings, online showing any direct evidence of the attack. If indeed the incident was far milder than CBS claimed, what does this suggest? I postulate the following: that Logan was indeed being harassed and groped. As she is used to being in controlled environments surrounded by military personnel for protection, she was now in a free-for-all where she couldn’t retain control. She was overwhelmed emotionally and had such a severe nervous breakdown that she couldn’t function. CBS thus had her evacuated and then spent four days pondering how to cover this debacle with one of their rising stars. The “sexual assault and beating” story made the most sense. It gives Logan time to pull herself back together, and the demanded privacy to be left alone. This scenario is suggested by the same silence from Logan as noted in #2. After all, if she had not received any beating, then she surely couldn’t show herself in public for a good month or longer. Moreover, she may be so emotionally distraught from the breakdown as to be unable to produce any audio tape.

    Which one is it? Number 3 makes a lot of sense. We must remember that so far everything we have heard about the attack have come from third parties, and not even people connected directly to Logan. Why no comments from her team? Why no extensive blog postings from guys who saw and heard it (I’ve only seen one, and even that had much speculation)? Why the stupid “fat boy” video? How can we see a Yazidi girl stoned to death posted online, but cannot see any video or audio of the attack? Anyone watching any of the video of the celebration that night in the Square can see the myriad of cell phone and other cameras being used. Somebody would have captured part or all of the assault. If any of you out there have seen any videos of the assault, please correct me. But so far I’ve seen nothing. This lack of evidence leads me to the basic conclusion that the assault claim is a fraud, for whatever reason. The “mental breakdown” scenario makes the most sense.

    • I completely disagree, of course.

      * Your “mental breakdown” theory ignores the claims by CBS that she is in surprisingly “good spirits” and colleagues and family members being quoted as telling the press things Lara said to them about the attack. She is indirectly quoted in two articles as saying the attack was so sudden that she could not escape. Your theory goes against any and all of the credible evidence that has surfaced thus far.

      * As for cell phone footage, I’m not sure whether it’s reasonable to argue that someone would have it or that the people who do have it would come forward with it. If she were dragged to a more remote location by a group specifically wishing to do her harm, I doubt anyone else would have opportunity to take any video of what was happening and no one who was part of that group, if they filmed it, would be offering that video up to the police.

      They might later try to use it to further humiliate the reporter but, if they did, I’m sure they would first take the time to edit the video so their friends were not easily identified. If any of them even filmed it.

      As Paul pointed out, at least some footage of the incident does exist, seeing as how the picture of her just before the event occurred is a screen capture from CBS camera footage. Some of her attackers could be identified using that footage.

      * I do agree that any sort of extended public flogging or caning or whipping or whatever you want to call it could have rendered her badly injured or dead but no one is saying she was beaten for thirty minutes straight. And, the girl who died from the 80 lashes in that story, if I remember correctly, was only fourteen years old.

      Some bondage porn sites (forgive me) feature women being whipped with similar sticks or canes without resulting in severe internal injuries or death. It’s actually a popular BSDM fetish based on the type of torture American and European countries used to administer to women in the medieval to colonial periods. And, before anyone goes there, no, I’m not into that scene myself; I’m just an adult who has, over the course of his lifetime, seen a few sample TGP (thumbnail gallery post) sites online. This stuff happens. A lot of damage can occur; the type of marks written about in the Daily Mail report. She could have been scarred by th beating. Of course, someone beating someone with a stick at full force is going to cause considerably more damage than someone playing out a role playing fantasy. But, you know, seriously, it’s not at all unfathomable that she could have suffered a sustained beating like that and survived with only the types of marks they are describing. It all seems fairly accurate.

      I don’t think it at all unfair to discuss this, seeing as how the fact that she was whipped and had injuries consistent with this description has been widely reported. But, again, I’m sorry for going there.

      * Accounting for time, saying she wasn’t beaten the entire time, doesn’t necessarily lend itself to the assumption that she was, in fact, raped (contradicting sources close to her). Maybe it took ten minutes for them to drag her from her location by the banner to the more remote location where the assault occurred.

      Her own account, as relayed by a relative, is that she was “not raped” due to the intervention of some women either infiltrating the crowd of attackers or, possibly, accompanying the attackers but not consenting to full on rape. Nobody knows the exact details yet. But, you know, I’m siding with the information that has been put forth by official sources until credible evidence contradicts it. And, I don’t view the Temoris account as credible evidence, seeing as how what he saw himself amounts to no more than about thirty seconds of a blond woman being dragged past him on the street.

      * I really don’t think this was trumped up for any reason. And, really, your reasoning here, your idea that CBS invented the rape to cover for a mental breakdown, man, that’s kind of backwards. I mean, come on. How is a rape less controversial than a mental breakdown?

      You can see footage of her (above) in Iraq as she’s accompanying soldiers in the battlefield. They get ambushed and a U.S. soldier gets shot in the leg right in front of her and she doesn’t panic. I don’t think getting groped a few times is going to make her flip out.

      • This is like an episode of Law & Order SVU. lol

      • Nine… I have no problem with you disagreeing, so long as we remain reasonable. Moreover, I’m not wedded to my scenarios. I simply present them in an effort to evaluate the nature of the evidence and determine what possibly or probably happened.

        As for what we’ve been hearing about Logan, these are things we have been told by others. We have yet to receive any information from Logan, such as even a “folks I’m getting better and doing fine” type comment. After all, if she was in “good spirits,” why no such recorded statement? Instead, it is all hearsay. Few of the comments currently in the media would stand up in a western court of law. Regarding CBS claims, why should anyone trust them? Do you believe everything you read in the newspapers?

        Regarding film footage, you make a good point. However, if the mob had dragged her away it is unlikely any women or soldiers would have rescued her (unless they were part of that mob!). In other words, it is difficult to have a private assault but a public rescue. As for footage, Paul is right. The CBS crew probably filmed something, but what that is remains unknown to the public. As for the perps not wanting to post video, the reality is there are many narcissists who would do just that, knowing that western law enforcement couldn’t touch them (e.g the Yazidi girl stoned to death and posted online).

        As for beatings, etc, discussing such delicate topics can pique voyeuristic fantasy, and I want to be cautious here. With that said, your points about BDSM and it not inflicting serious injury fails to note that those who engage in such acts usually… note my caveat… exercise caution to protect the one being beaten. Such restraint would not be present in a wild mob attack. The blows would come rapidly from various directions, striking a host of sensitive areas that could lead to serious injury (ribs, kidneys, neck, head, etc). Such a frenzied beating for even 10 minutes could easily kill someone. One girl in Sweden was hit only a few times with a truncheon during her rape. One blow split her head wide open (the photo is gruesome).

        As for the time lapse during the assault, I concur that a limit to the beating does not necessitate that she was then raped. But if not, what else did they do? A mob acts with its own logic, following a sequencing that involves a ramping up of violence. Typically, most rape victims are physically subdued first before the actual sexual part occurs. As for accounts from relatives, I don’t place much stock in them, for they are still hearsay. For example, an article in the South African media discussed Logan phoning her parents in Durban, with the only quote we have yet seen saying “It came so suddenly that I couldn’t escape.” The problem here is that the text is dispassionate. How do we know she didn’t say this to her parents while sobbing hysterically on the phone? How do we know she really did phone them? After all, the parents would have full justification to protect their daughter in any way they saw fit and thus concur with any cover story necessary.
        As for Logan not panicking under fire, I can tell you from experience that having rounds go off around you is really not such a big deal. It happens so fast that there isn’t time to panic. The nerves come later… when you realize how close things truly were. As for rape being as controversial as a mental breakdown? The fact is people empathize with rape victims; they sympathize with those going through a mental collapse. Just think about it for a moment… mental breakdowns are far worse for your resume than being raped.

        My support for the third scenario is illustrated by the recent case involving Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. We keep hearing third party reports about her “remarkable recovery,” etc from the shooting in Tuscan. But note… we never see photos of her, nor has anyone been allowed to interview her. Why? The clue can be found in a recent article that appeared in South African media. It reported that Giffords had tweeted “happy birthday” to her husband. However, at the end of the article, it says that a staff member wrote the tweet for her. This means that Giffords’s condition, while remarkable for one having been shot in the head, is terrible. She is essentially a non-functioning person, unable to do even the most basic tasks such as henpecking a keyboard. Yet, this entire time the family has protected her and the media have collaborated in such protection. While we can sympathize with her condition, such “protection” is irresponsible and denies a host of people congressional representation at a critical time.

        I believe the same protective blanket, for whatever reason, has been placed around Logan. Either the assault was minor and something else happened that required her to be pulled from the field, or the assault was far worse than CBS et al is telling us. On the basis of a complete lack of information from the Egyptian/Arabic world, I would say it is the former. So far the evidence available just does not add up. At least that’s what we see so far.

      • @Russ

        Though I agree that your line of reasoning has merit (to some degree), I’m not arriving at the same conclusion. I do not think Lara simply suffered this “mental breakdown” you’re talking about (not that anyone could blame her for doing so) and I don’t think the attack was minimal.

        I mean, I get that you’re not jumping to conclusions; these are just possibilities you’re opening up for discussion and I fully understand that and welcome it. I just think the information (not evidence) we have been given thus far (which is, of course, no sort of primary source material or corroborated evidence by any stretch of the imagination) seems to fully support the CBS account.

        Even the suppositions presented by the friends of Temoris support the idea that the attackers were fierce and determined: they had to form a human chain to keep them back, for example, and she was still being grabbed and punched through the “human chain” according to this brief account.

        * If you examine the video I posted of Christiane Amanpour and her crew being attacked by por-Mubarak supporters, you’ll see that there were two or three women in the crowd as the attack took place. Whether or not these women were accompanying the pro-regime mob is unclear but they were there. It is possible that Ms. Logan could have been dragged to a remote location by men and a few women (who were initially part of the group assaulting her but decided “enough is enough” when it went past punishment and ventured into a full on rape by their boyfriends or husbands).

        I mean, for some slightly sadistic woman who feels deeply wronged, seeing a sworn enemy and hated foe get beaten up and spit on and slapped around and maybe having her pants pulled down for a public whipping might seem like a suitable revenge (particularly, in a culture that does not yet frown on public whipping as a form of punishment; something our school system thought was acceptable right up into the 1980s) but seeing her husband pull his pants down and rape the woman might not have been as agreeable to her. It’s possible. I’m just saying.

        It’s also possible that a group of women saw her being dragged away and some followed while others went to find soldiers, and that they managed to push their way through the crowd with the help of the soldiers and cover her with their bodies. Not that anyone but Ms. Logan has reported that part of the story. It is attributed to her first-hand testimony. It could be that these women handed her over to the soldiers immediately and were only a part of this for a few moments. It could have just been one woman, two women.

        * The sources that have leaked information about the type of wounds that were inflicted have been called medical sources. These are not necessarily people who would be trying to cover for Ms. Logan.

        These are just some thoughts. Again, no one can be sure until Ms. Logan gives her account (if she does). But, I’m siding with CBS. As much as people out there don’t want to trust the press, most of what you see on the news is far more reliable than what you hear from random witnesses on the street. People love to feel involved. They’ll make shit up just to feel like they contributed in some way.

    • Nine… your comments have some real validity, and of course add uncertainty to the mix. One problem I have with the “women intervening” account is that even if a group of them attempted to do so by themselves, they would have been beaten as well, considering the nature of Arabic culture. Even if they were their wives/girlfriends, the men’s attitude would have been, “who are you to interfere with this?” The only way I think the women could have been successful is if the soldiers had already arrived to back them up. But the possible role of the women as you note does have validity.

      Regarding the leaking of information from medical sources, the reality is that we don’t know who these sources are. As of this date, we don’t know what hospital, if any, she was taken to. We have only been told by CBS and anonymous sources that she was sent to a hospital. For all intents and purposes she may have not been sent to any hospital. Think about it… you state we have heard from medical sources, but these leaks come from sources unnamed and unknown. I could have said she was sent to a hospital for all you know.

      And regarding hospitalization, if Logan’s internal injuries were that “serious” as we were told, why did they avoid hospitalization in Egypt, or even in Europe? Why did they choose to fly her over 12 hours (if non-stop) to New York (and 15-18 hours if one stop)? Why not fly her to Germany (a 4 1/2 hour flight) instead? Internal injuries are nothing to be fooled with and need immediate medial attention, and merely getting a sedative from a hotel doctor is woefully inadequate. Even a concussion requires medical intervention. Had she had cranial swelling or worse in mid-flight over the Atlantic, she would have been dead once they landed. For CBS to insist that Logan be flown directly to the U.S. (and New York City to boot… the base of CBS) is possibly legally actionable IF her injuries were really that “serious.” Thus, the timeline of her return to the States raises these serious questions that nobody has yet asked.

      What I’m seeing here is a lack of credible evidence for the entire incident, even from our side of the fence. I make a living studying historical documents and combat reports. For example, when studying a combat action, it is essential to get data from the other side. In Logan’s case, we have virtually NO data coming from Egypt about the incident save for what we see here that might contradict the CBS official narrative. Even the information from our side is from anonymous sources that have no credibility. I initially accepted the scenario that the assault was more serious than CBS told us, but now I’m leaning the other direction, for the evidence just doesn’t add up.

      As for trusting the media, I have had extensive experience dealing with the media and have learned they are anything but trustworthy. And as for people on the streets making things up, I have directly witnessed media people making things up (incidents in which I was there and a player and yet the news “story” was significantly different than what happened). When it comes to making things up, the media are at the front of the pack.

      • @Russ

        “Regarding the leaking of information from medical sources, the reality is that we don’t know who these sources are.”

        True.

        “And regarding hospitalization, if Logan’s internal injuries were that ‘serious’ as we were told, why did they avoid hospitalization in Egypt, or even in Europe?”

        The explanation I’ve seen thrown around is that they thought she’d be detained if she went to the hospital in Egypt. But, that might not make any sense because they could’ve detained her at the airport if we’re talking about the government (as opposed to police or a brute squad or a mob). Still, the faster the crew got out of the country the better.

        If her life were not in danger, if her worst injuries were not a concussion or internal bleeding and she was conscious (though shaken up), I’m sure any woman would have fled the country at the first opportunity after such an attack (if it was at all fierce). I have read reports that she couldn’t speak at first but it’s unclear whether that was due to emotional shock or physical trauma or psychological turmoil.

        Knowing how far behind America most Mediterranean countries are in terms of advanced medical treatment, I don’t think it would be at all odd… to find out that Lara… may have elected to rush back to the best plastic surgeons in the world. Damage to her face and/or her “sensitive areas” may have required treatment she was unwilling to trust to foreign doctors.

        Being whipped with poles from hand helf flags seems to be one of the most substantiated claims, one that CBS would probably have shot down if it had no merit. You might not be understanding me as to how much damage can occur from a whipping of that sort. If you’re resilient when it comes to this sort of thing (though I’m advising against it) just do a Google search on “whipping tgp” and check out the first five or six sites that come up. Click on the thumbnail pictures to be taken to the individual sample galleries. Sometimes, the window that pops up is not the right one so try again (this is done by these pages on purpose to ensure traffic to other pages) and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Anything from lengthy and raised red welts scrawled across someone’s body to severe and bloody lacerations, and that’s just from role playing. Suffice to say, she may have needed stitches and/or emergency plastic surgery to avoid permanent scarring.

        And, they did say she was punched.

        We should probably stop talking about her injuries at this point. I don’t want to offend anyone. I’m just trying to spell out for you why she may have wanted to seek medical attention back in America rather than trust doctors in another country — doctors that might not have been particularly well versed in minimizing the amount of permanent damage or scarring.

        Going to an Egyptian doctor would have just delayed further her path back to the states and to the best doctors in the world. And, her wounds wouldn’t have had to have been internal or life-threatening to be considered extremely serious. Also, going to an airport in Europe could have meant an lengthy delay in customs. They probably didn’t have the travel Visas. Bones may have needed to be set. There’s no telling… a lot of factors could have come into play.

        And, really, if I just got beat up and violated in a foreign country, I know I’d want to ditch that place ASAP and get back to the states and around people I trust. I’m sure anyone traveling with her would have respected her wishes to do so or thought it was best for her.

        One member of her crew is said to have broken his hand and he didn’t go to the hospital in Egypt. I don’t know why that guy wouldn’t come forward and make a statement unless he’s not someone who wants to be easily identifiable… in his line of work (security).

        “I make a living studying historical documents and combat reports.”

        Interesting. I have a B.S. in History myself. I’m sure you’re familiar with textbooks like Truth in History by Oscar Handlin. If so, I know how careful you’re being in not jumping to conclusions. I can see why you’re doubting the media reports or at least taking a skeptical viewpoint but I don’t see why you view the Temoris account or the secondary accounts he has recounted here to be especially valid. For all we know, he made the whole thing up. I doubt it but… how would we know?

        As you know, it’s easy to let your own experience shape what you’re seeing. Identifying your own personal biases (know thyself) is paramount to understanding how the lens you use to view the world is warped, right? You don’t trust the media based on past experiences; for you, that puts a slant on everything you see coming from the media. Automatic doubt. You’re suspicious of it. That’s just as bad as believing everything they say. You can fall into a trap that way, become a contrarian. Instead, as you know, it’s important to keep your judgment clear and evaluate every source carefully.

        I’ve seen the local media here screw stories up beyond recognition. I’ve seen it happen on a larger scale. I mean, Fox News, right? Still, what large political motive would CBS have to cook this up out of nothing (because this could end up being pretty big)? Saving face for one of their reporters? If it were as simple as covering up a mental breakdown, couldn’t they have just kept quiet about it altogether? Couldn’t they have just said she was physically assaulted like Anderson Cooper?

        “In Logan’s case, we have virtually NO data coming from Egypt about the incident save for what we see here that might contradict the CBS official narrative.”

        True.

        “I have directly witnessed media people making things up (incidents in which I was there and a player and yet the news ‘story’ was significantly different than what happened). When it comes to making things up, the media are at the front of the pack.”

        Sure. Just tell me those experiences haven’t made you biased against the media. Because, really, that’s just as bad as trusting them without question. You have to evaluate the evidence for what it is, without taking sides, and present the clearest version of the data you’ve accumulated without showing bias for or against (without good cause), or at least presenting your case for such bias with complete transparency, if you’re going to do this story justice.

        Sorry for the rant. It wasn’t meant as a lecture. It’s just me being thorough. I’m sure you’ve had more experience than me in any and all fields related to investigative reporting. I’m just saying.

      • Also, if she has them, one of her breast implants could have ruptured. That happened to Jamie Leigh Jones when she was raped by KBR employees in Iraq. Of course, she flew back to America from Iraq for treatment.

      • It is interesting that some object to any doubts regarding reports carried by the main stream media, and yet concurrently all but accuse Témoris of lying. Julian Lee has a good point, in that we have posters dissing Témoris’s testimony, but providing no opposing testimony to dispute it. Granted, Témoris himself admits he did not see everything, but he does try to provide some evidence (if accepted as such) from others as to what may have happened. Furthermore, it is sad that too many posters here have to get personal and use abusive language.

        Nine… you make a good point about breast implants and being ruptured during the attack. Did Logan have these (I don’t know)? But would their rupture constitute serious internal injury? Probably not. Btw, as an aside, your comments about people being unable to converse on this topic as adults is so right on.

        As for medical treatment, I’m not suggesting she needed plastic surgery in Europe. I’m suggesting that if her internal injuries were indeed “serious,” she needed basic medical treatment at once to stabilize her. Why was this delayed? You mention that the injuries need not have been serious, but the same press reports you continue to cite also state the serious nature of her injuries. We can’t have it both ways. Propaganda tends to have serious holes in it, because fact is much easier to report and maintain than fiction. Lies have a nasty tendency to come to the surface. Cooked up stories often have significant problems that can be readily found. I initially postulated that the assault was worse than CBS admitted, but after examining more evidence, and the significant lack of such evidence, I began to come to another conclusion. I have seen this in a number of combat reports, where one side claims an “action” occurred, but the other side’s reports are completely silent. Having reviewed thousands of these types of reports, I can attest that in the vast majority of cases both sides have something to corroborate the statements of their opposite number. Only rarely does one find a significant action reported by one, but totally neglected by the other. When this happens, one should be suspicious.

        You mention that her being beaten with poles was “substantiated.” How? Who substantiated it? All we have is a claim by a news media organization in the UK. We have no direct reports from doctors, no statement from a known medical facility, nothing from Logan… nothing. Unlike Gabby Giffords, we have seen nothing of substance. At least with Giffords we saw doctors reporting her condition, knew what hospital she was at, and what rehab facility she went to in Houston. With Logan we have nothing, even though we are told that she is in “good spirits.” How odd.

        Regarding flying into Europe, they would have no trouble gaining entry. Having traveled in both Europe and the Middle East, I know that the requirements for the latter are much more stringent in most cases than the former. Their passports would have been sufficient, and moreover radio communication could have alerted authorities regarding Logan’s injuries and the sensitive nature of her need for privacy. They would have been very accommodating. Indeed, Germany takes privacy more seriously than the U.S.

        As to why CBS would cook up a story, that is the whole point of my third scenario. If Logan had simply been upset, she wouldn’t have needed extensive cover. But if she indeed suffered a nervous breakdown she would have needed some cover story sufficient to explain why she couldn’t perform her job, and reporting a nervous breakdown is not it. A nervous breakdown could cause a person to be non-functional for days, weeks, months, or even longer, and of course can be a career-stopper. I’m not talking about simply having a hissy fit. I’m talking about total, mental and emotional collapse. If she had finally found the crowds and the groping to be too much, she just may have lost it to the point that she was incapable of functioning. That is my point.

        As for my cynicism regarding the main stream media, it is well-placed. And just because I’m jaded doesn’t mean the media does not engage in disinformation operations. They do this on a regular basis, which I have directly seen on many occasions. As a result, I’ve learned to ask more questions and demand real evidence, rather than platitudes.

      • @russ

        “But if she indeed suffered a nervous breakdown she would have needed some cover story sufficient to explain why she couldn’t perform her job, and reporting a nervous breakdown is not it.”

        See, now, you are the one doubting the Temoris account. He clams to have seen her being dragged and pushed through the street. Whether she was dragged and pushed by attackers or soldiers, something definitely happened that goes beyond an unprovoked mental breakdown. The secondary sources Temoris quotes claim she was groped and claim the crowd was hostile toward her.

        I just don’t buy the idea that CBS would take their most respected reporter and construct this huge sex debacle around her for the purpose of explaining why she failed to report a story due to a panic attack. Why would they intentionally besmirch the narrative of the revolution in that way? It just doesn’t make any sense.

        I don’t see Ms. Logan agreeing to cooperate with that, anyway. Have you seen interviews with her? She’s not the type to be easily intimidated or coerced, from how she acts in her interviews. This could destroy her career much more easily than a mental breakdown would. Does 60 Minutes want people thinking and talking about gang rape every time they tune in to watch? CNN? After the inevitable tell-all and the inevitable eye-witness leaks…

        Why would she go along with it? I don’t buy it. I’m sorry but… it’s just too far fetched, this mental breakdown theory of yours. It could be true… The truth can be stranger than fiction. But, it’s just not something I’d put in my top five most likely theories on what happened to Lara Logan in this event. I mean, maybe she secretly wanted an excuse to retire so she and Captain Marvel hatched this plan to go out with a bang and get a book deal but… no. I’m not buying it. :P

        She does have two children now. She didn’t have children when she was in Iraq. It could be that fear of never seeing them again overwhelmed her. You could be right. It’s a possibility.

        Regardless, someone dragged and pushed her through the street (according to Temoris). Something more severe than being “detailed and interrogated” happened if it contributed to a mental breakdown when being detained and interrogated only made her more determined to get back over there and report.

        Also, there was another reporter who did go to the hospital after he was assaulted in Tahrir Square (just prior to Ms. Logan’s assault, if I’m not mistaken) and he ended up getting abducted from the hospital, black bagged and interrogated. I think she and her crew were right not to risk that if her condition was bad.

        “As for my cynicism regarding the main stream media, it is well-placed. And just because I’m jaded doesn’t mean the media does not engage in disinformation operations. They do this on a regular basis, which I have directly seen on many occasions. As a result, I’ve learned to ask more questions and demand real evidence, rather than platitudes.”

        I’m glad you’re out there asking those questions. I appreciate what you do. I’m just pretty sure that there are always media organizations watching other media organizations. Fox, for example, would jump at the chance to expose the Lara Logan attack as some conspiracy. The media isn’t one large cohesive body. There is accountability where there is competition and peer review. Most stories about media corruption are brought to light by the media itself.

        I’m actually starting to lean toward your ideas on this but, like you, I’m not going to jump to any conclusions.

        If anything, the silence of Egyptian officials is incriminating. And, really, exactly what officials are being silent… the old government or the new government? Isn’t their government in transition right now? Who is in charge of what? And, aren’t they kind of busy right now? Who could really issue a statement? The military? Is that their job? What are they going to say? How soon? Don’t they have a vested interest in focussing on the revolution right now… and not some embarrassing story about rape?

        I’m considering your idea but… it’s not looking like a plausible theory. Not really.

        I mean, I hope Lara Logan was not hirt that bad. I guess, really, she was released from the hospital after only two days. But, you know, most celebrities are treated at home on an out-patient basis so even going to the hospital means the attack was… not superficial.

        She’s reportedly vowed to be back to work within weeks but that was TMZ. I hope she’s feeling that feisty. I hope things work out for her and she’s fine. If she comes out and says it was just a mental breakdown (not that a mental breakdown is trivial) then awesome. I think most people would buy that just out of hoping for the best for so long. But, it’s probably not the truth.

      • @russ

        Haha. Sorry, I used the name Octopius briefly in an effort to mock the trolls further down in the thread. I’m not the original Octopius or any of the trolls. It’s me, nine, in the comment above.. I’m sure that’s something you’ll recognize. Sorry for the confusion.

      • Hm…

        A rape is definitely more “humiliating” than a fight/assault causing a mental breakdown. I mean, if she were fighting people off the whole time, that’s just ballsy. It’s like, “Damn! She’s a tough broad.”

        Personally, I think of surviving a rape as something heroic (like surviving a bear attack or a shark attack). It may seem childish but I prefer to think of rape survivors more as badass survivors than helpless victims. Still, yes, a lot of people view the victim of a rape as “damaged goods” and project shame not only on the attacker but the victim (which is wrong). This event presents an opportunity for a tough but feminine woman to take rape from humiliating to heroic, something women defeat just by surviving and going back to work and not letting it hold them back from their dreams. It could be a bold statement.

        But, realistically, though the good people of the world will respect her more for making it through this, there is always going to be a group out there that thinks less of her (for whatever reason such stigmas exist). If she was raped, it’s going to be hard for her to deal with, hard for her family to deal with, hard for the public to deal with it, her colleagues, etc. I think, if anything, CBS has far more motive to cover up a rape than to claim a rape or any type of sexual assault… where none happened.

        As far as being whipped, I mean, a public whipping is pretty embarrassing in and of itself. How would the PR people want to handle that? What would Lara Logan want people to believe?

        I do not think she’d even want people to know it if she was whipped. I mean, only two images come to mind for most Americans: 1. Jesus being whipped by the Roman guards; 2. children being whipped by their parents or teachers. It’s like, either way, she pretty much got “owned” if she got whipped. Though a lot of people will consider her heroic to have survived a beating like that, some will consider her diminished or dismissed somehow.

        It’s like, either she’s a courageous journalist who endured lashes and stripes across her back to cover the revolution or… she got in over her head and got spanked/punk’d. I think, really, no one is going to make that shit up and go for “Jesus” status when they are risking being discredited and relegated to a far subordinate status.

        This woman has worked her ass off and fought hard to be respected among correspondents who continually, due to her looks/youth, look down on her. There is no way that, now, having made a mark for herself, she (or CBS) is going to up and pretend she got whipped just to sensationalize a story or to cover for a perfectly understandable panic attack. Neither she or her family would stand by as CBS or any official source made that shit up. It just wouldn’t happen.

        No woman would do that. It’s just unimaginable.

        It would be like a dude, covering for a mental breakdown, saying he got bent over and spanked by a bigger dude. That’s just not going to happen.

        I’m not sure you are seeing how absurd it is to think anyone from the CBS camp would falsely claim she was whipped or sexually assaulted. I’m sorry, dude, that’s just not plausible at all. Now, it could be that it’s a rumor started by some other source but, then, why wouldn’t CBS issue a statement saying, “Sorry, she was not whipped.” Then again, it was the WSJ and not CBS that broke the story that she said she was not, in fact, raped. But, there is no way they’d make this shit up. Just no way.

        I’m starting to see your position as more credible… but it’s not one I consider to be on the list of top possibilities. I think she was in fact beaten and sexually assaulted. Possibly raped. I don’t think it’s even remotely possible that she just got ushered over to some soldiers and made up the rest of it. It is, however, possible that none of the information that has surfaced outside the CBS statement is accurate.

        I’m with CBS.

      • …meaning I side with CBS on their statement. I’m not “with” CBS.

      • Actually, I was mistaken. She was in the hospital four days according to ABC.

        “Logan, 39, was released from the hospital Tuesday at about 5 p.m., the friend told ABC News.”

        http://abcnews.go.com/US/lara-logan-resting-home-sexually-assaulted-egypt-day/story?id=12928943&page=1

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  95. Point is, muslim men are mostly of a lower moral standard than western men. This would not happen in a crowd of white men…..that I assure you! White men have a moral standard that requires us to protect women and children. Muslims are scum, always have been always will. The have a great example is the lowest of moral standards of mohammad…..

    • Schnellinger

      I could only see one scum here, and that is you, rascist islamophobic nobrainer.

    • steve's mom

      It happened in the riot at Mardi Gras 2001. It hapened at Woodstock. It happened at the Richmond High School gang rape. KBR employees did it in Iraq. Countless frat boys have pulled crap like this using the date rape drug.

    • STEVE is NINE

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  96. I realize I am late to the discussion but this post was just put up on twitter by someone I follow and I feel compelled to comment. I found immense value in the input from nine, paul and wj. A sincere thank you to all three.

    As a survivor of rape and sexual assault I immediately thought that if Lara was not raped, then how unconscionable to assert such an assault. This thought was rapidly followed by shame when I started reading the rebuttals. It is nearly impossible for me to read about this type of attack without experiencing intense empathy, followed by fear and usually followed by a couple of sleepless nights where the nightmares take over if I do fall asleep, even briefly. Thus, my knee jerk thought. This doesn’t mean that anyone really knows exactly what took place as of yet. Also, I was, and still am, captivated by the Egyptian revolution. I never once considered the revolution tainted, nor did I assume somehow that Arab men are more prone to rape than any others. I know better.

    In addition, it seems incredibly obvious that rape and/or sexual assault can and has taken place with those in the immediate vicinity swearing that they saw or knew nothing. They are usually right. And so, sadly, is the victim.

    I was raped and repeatedly attacked for years, by my father, in my home. My mother did not know. My neighbors did not know. My twin brother, who was often banished to the back seat of the car while I was forced to sit in front with my dad to endure abuse, did not know. The church members whom we had all known since I and my twin (brother) were born, did not know. You may say that my situation was different. In many ways it was. However, one attack when I was about 13 took place in the church while my entire family was cleaning the church. It lasted only a few minutes but was brutal. I screamed a lot. Turns out the family was upstairs cleaning their respective parts of the church while I was downstairs cleaning a bathroom in the back. My mother and brother could rightfully say that they saw me five minutes prior and were not far from me, and would likely assert that if I screamed they could hear me. They could also say they saw me five minutes after and my clothes were not messed up, neither did I say or do anything to appear brutalized. I was in shock and did everything I could to appear “normal.” It works because no one is looking for the signs.

    Finally, I find it voyeuristic this obsession for specific details of sexual assault and/or rape. There is no such outcry when someone is beaten or brutalized in any other way. I understand the desire for verification and for facts, and I think these details will come out. And I believe that the author of this article had a personal viewpoint worth airing. However, for the person in the first video and for any others who are true voyeurs of pain of this type, I wish them prison for ten minutes with no guards. I really do.

    • steve's mom

      Sorry for what that guy did to you. *hug*

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    • Thanks for sharing your story. I hope you’ve found safety and peace in your life.

    • JOLIVERI is NINE

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  97. Please leave her alone.

    One of the very first communiqués asked to leave her alone.

    • Please leave us alone.

      • JOHN’S MOM is NINE

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    • LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

      • GLOBAL WARMING DID IT!

      • TOXIC and AL GORE are NINE

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  98. It was just another opportunity for the media to demonize men while celebrating slutty women like Lara.

    • Slutty women like me, Jay’s mom.

      • JAY HAMMERS and JAY’S MOM is NINE

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  100. ATTENTION: RACISTS AND XENOPHOBES

    This story is not about how “barbaric” Egyptians (or Arabs) are or how cruel they are toward women. It was a group of EGYPTIAN women and 20 male EGYPTIAN soldiers who saved Ms. Logan from her attackers. The attackers, also Egyptian, are said to have been made up of a group of thugs angry at the protestors and the movement in general.

    It is true that women in Egypt have suffered in a culture of sexual harassment and male dominance but the same could be said for every Judeo-Christian nation/culture in the history of the world right up into the Civil Rights movement and the progressive movements that took place in 20th century America. In modern times and in politically progressive nations, women and minorities have obtained equal rights because of progressive political movements. It has less to do with race or religion than politics.

    This was a band of thugs representing a toppled regime lashing out at a foreign correspondent because they lost power. In contrast, the entire Egyptian revolution has been a struggle for freedom, liberty and human rights. Quit lashing out against Egypt. If anything, lash out at the outgoing dictator and support the revolution.

    ATTENTION: WANNABE PROPHETS

    This story is not about Islam. There are many aspects of the Islamic religion that are repressive but there are also progressive Islamic people that, hopefully, represent the future of that religion.

    The Catholic church isn’t exactly progressive either. And, really, up until the Civil Rights movement, women didn’t have that many rights in our country. Look at how women were dressed in medieval times or even during the colonial period of America. Look at Amish women. They are all covered up just like Islamic women. Think about what “shotgun weddings” meant back in the day. What about the inquisition and the witch trials? Look at the Old Testament; is stoning women to death for adultery or fornication not barbaric?

    I think, sure, if you go by the stories that come in from back in the mountains about women getting acid thrown in their faces, honor rapes, honor killings, etc., Islam looks pretty bad. And, maybe, yes, it’s kind of a backwards religion compared to what Christianity has come to represent in modern times (or what it was supposed to represent all along, if you want to look at it that way).

    But, look, we are reading all their psycho stories. We aren’t reading about daily life in those countries. They probably read about the crazies in our country and think we’re pretty nuts too.

    I mean, think about it. If you read about Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh, priests molesting kids, Mormon compounds, the Richmond High School gang rape, Jamie Leigh Jones getting raped by KBR employees in Iraq, the 2001 Mardi Gras riot gang rapes, etc. you’d think America was pretty freaking nuts. All the “slut shaming” and “blame the victim” crap and the date rape drugs and human trafficking and the stigma associated with rape victims as “damaged goods” in this country — what if that’s the entirety of American news that makes it over to their little villages? They must think Americans are all a bunch of sex criminals and neanderthals walking around with our knuckles dragging on the ground.

    And, look, that’s pretty much all you’re seeing. You are just seeing their most crazy and sensational stories. Islamic countries are kind of backwards, yes. All third-world countries are. But, they are not animals. But for a few radical political movements in our country, we’d be just as bad. I mean, hey, remember when we had slaves? Remember when it was legal to rape and kill black people?

    And, really, what went on in Sudan and Congo is more about the horrors of war than Islam. Look at Serbia (when it was the Christians raping the Islamic people). Heck, after WWII invading Russians raped pretty much every woman between 15 and 70 over in Berlin (including nuns). The allies did a lot of raping too. The Japanese raped 300,000 women in the city of Nanking during WWII. And, that was “the greatest generation”. The Mongols. The Huns. Israel. Right in the Bible, Israel is commanded to rape women and abduct them for wives. Rape has been a part of war for centuries. It’s horrific and tragic and we should stand against it with all of our might but it’s not just an Islamic problem. There were thousands of women raped in America on February 11th for random reasons that didn’t even have to do with war. Take a stand for women around the world. Great. Just don’t act like the “brown people” do it more than we do. They don’t.

    ATTENTION: OBNOXIOUS PUNDITS

    Man, dudes, when a woman gets raped… and you exploit the incident for a political talking point or lash out at her because she represents someone with opposing views or values… you’re a dirtbag. Seriously, you just… are a dirtbag. You should have just offered your condolences to the victim and wished her well and went somewhere else with your broadcast. …Dirtbags.

    IT WAS NOT HER FAULT:

    It wasn’t her fault. Did she “know what she was getting into” when she went over there? Yes. She and her crew had been detained and interrogated. She probably thought going back meant she’d be brutally murdered. She went over anyway. That’s not irresponsibility. It’s courage. She was standing up for a people fighting for freedom and human rights. That’s not irresponsible. It’s heroic.

    Should they have sent an uglier reporter or a dude? Maybe if there was someone more qualified. There’s just not. Logan is a veteran correspondent, one of the best there is, and she is currently the chief correspondent for CBS news and a leading correspondent at CNN. She was doing her job. If she didn’t, someone else would have been in harms way that night. She wanted to go… and that takes guts. It makes me feel ashamed for not doing something better with my life. It makes me want to be a better person.

    ———————————

    CONCLUSION:

    Okay. That’s all I have to say about it right now. Ms. Logan is entitled to her privacy. If we never learn more about the attack, that’s fine. If she wants to come out and talk about it, that’s cool, she shouldn’t feel shamed or humiliated or too embarrassed to speak out. I hope the incident doesn’t damage her career in any way. I wish her and her family peace and prosperity.

    She’s a fighter and I’m sure she’ll be okay.

    God bless Lara Logan.

  101. Haven’t posted here for a bit. Conversation’s kind of degenerated. Too bad. Oh well, I’m still interested in ‘who’ happened to her and not so much the ‘what.’ I view the ‘what’ as like that little evil Rubix Cube in the old movie Hellraiser, there’s no way to open it without all these demons coming out. So I just don’t go there, leave it on the table so-to-speak. Whatever happened to poor Logan, it was horrible. I get it. Moving on.

    Anyways, found out some interesting things, in of all publications the National Enquirer. Was standing in line at Wal-Mart, saw Logan’s picture on the cover. Something about ‘mental crisis.’ Anyways, I got my tabloid gutter on and read it while there in line. Now, I know its the Natty Enguirer, but frankly when it comes to this kind of stuff they’re pretty good as of late. Just ask that dumbass John Edwards.

    Two things caught my eye in the article. One, the brief description of the ‘what’ that happened to her (no salacious crap, sorry voyeurs) mentioned how she was ‘separated’ from her team and dragged into an alley before getting assaulted. That jives pretty well – I’m satisfied in a weird way to say – with my contention that Logan wasn’t accosted right on the south end of Tahrir. She was forced – dragged, pushed, carried, something – over to the Ritz Carlton construction site. If one looks at a map of Tahrir Square during the protests, the foodie-vendors had set up approx. twenty meters east of the big English banner.

    That’s where Temoris would have been – buying his tea – when he saw her forced by him. Getting dragged to the alley between the Ritz Carlton construction site and the Arab League HQ, right off of Al Tahrer Road. Poor Logan might of seen glints of the Nile while she got smashed up. That’s how close she would’ve been. And also why it gets so much darker going that way. Total distance is about one soccer pitch, about a hundred meters. Seems far, but not really far at all to go from the banner. People were streaming in and off Al Tahrer, but right off there behind Arab League HQ on a construction site I am betting people thinned out considerably. Poor Logan.

    Other tidbit is shred of eyewitness testimony. Not of assault of Logan, but Logan boarding plane seen by someone ‘close to situation.’ Now, since its Natty Enquirer, I’m guessing the guy who was ‘close to situation’ was probably groundcrew at Exec. Terminal where they would’ve had the Gulfstream, and Natty Enquirer paid him for the info, and corroborated info through at least two sources. Its the way they work that kind of stuff, and I am guessing Natty-E would be damn sure given getting sued by likes of Logan and CBS in situation like this would be kiss-o-death. So I’m guessing this groundcrew guy they’re talking about. Not someone who knows her.

    Groundcrew guy says he saw Logan board plane, under her own power. But she was moving very slowly, and had the appearance of someone who had been quote: ‘beat down.’ Bet he didn’t get good look at her, probably was standing by fuel truck or something, saw her from a distance.

    Also, no way Temoris would’ve seen her for thirty seconds. Count that off in your head and you realize in situation like that thirty seconds is forever. Temoris’s encounter with Logan and the criminals would’ve been ten, fifteen seconds tops.

    All in all, I think the narrative I described way back up thread is pretty accurate to what happened to Logan. But I think the instigators were not random people who found this attractive woman to mess with. Nor do I think it was generic amateur ‘Mubarek supporters’ streaming in from checkpoint approx. two hundred meters west of the banner. I am thinking it was plain-clothed ‘pros.’ Full-timer police-staters. Logan says she was detained in Cairo on previous trip by ‘the Army’ however that is quite org-chart monster when one looks into it. My guess is she was detained by Egyptian General Intelligence Directorate goons, who dress up and play Army but really aren’t.

    I have hunch all about what happened there, and think Logan’s previous detention is connected to what happened to her Feb. 11th. I think that also explains the relative quiet on this story, because not only does EGID have ability to quash information from inside Egypti, those bums and CIA go way back together – shit like extordinary renditions and the like – for decades. It gets shady and gory real fast looking into history of that outift, and its personnel – especially the career pros – think themselves as the law, therefore above it.

    I think at this point Logan was tracked from wheels-down in Cairo that morning to wheels-up back out of there that night. She was going to get smacked around whether Mubarek went down that day or not. But when he did, whoever was watching her, they took their chance knowing it was their last chance to ‘teach bitch a lesson’ type-smackdown. Poor Lara Logan.

    • I agree that it is likely Logan was being targeted. I don’t know which account is credible, only she can say. And at the same time, there may be some very good reasons why she never will tell us. The unfortunate incident did nothing to lessen my admiration for the Tahrir Square protests, in any case. Every account does seem to include a sizable number of people trying to help her. Who’s to say that would have happened anywhere else – even Central Park, where not so very long ago a mob of males attacked several young girls, and people just watched??

      • Yeah, Egyptian revolution was fascinating event. I hope they avoid Army setting up another autocracy. I think Egypt will either be something more like Turkey…where military as institution has political ‘vote’ of sorts but things worked out, evolved over time, vs. Pakistan, where civilian governments are more kleptocratic puppets of military. But either way military is to stay in Egypt. They are the ultimate client and strategic interest of USA as well, more than Mubarek ever was. That dynamic remains distinctly unchanged, and will remain so as long as US-MIL and Egyptian Army are so…I can’t resist, ‘embedded’ with each other.

        I think that relationship might be having input on way Logan’s problems are resolving themselves as well, and behind closed doors. Its kind of ironic, but much of the DoD brass that Logan knows – probably counts as friends at this point in her career – have Egyptian buddies, a lot of times befriending each other as students in US-MIL college structure. Places like Ft. Leavenworth and Ft. Benning.

        I think middle-management types in EBID had it out for Logan after her first trip. As one can tell from this thread, Logan draws strong opinions from people easily. Not all good or all bad, but always strong opinions. I think she elicited pretty bad opinion from her middle-management EBID goons. Especially with those two CBS files she sent out of Alexandria. She was with goons whole night; getting moved between office and interrogation cell, throwing up on both, demanding IV’s, I’m sure full lovely comments for them. Whole time their doing the by-the-book Zionist agent shtick. And more than Anderson Cooper or Greg Palkot ever could she pissed them off being her. When they deported her I bet conversation before getting dumped at the airport was lovely one. “Don’t come back or else you’re gonna get it” type-conversation, but much more colorful I’m sure. I bet Logan’s file already was hundred pages, dozens of photos by then.

        Think how pissed EBID corporate tools would be once hearing she was coming back. Sounds like Logan rattled the bureaucratic pipes pretty good at Egyptian Embassy about going back, which in police state means cops get line on that too – its way autocracies work. I’m sure she filled out endless forms (or had one of her chumps filling out forms) trying to get accreditation. Where they’d be staying, where they’d be going, all that kind of thing. And the goon-tools figured they were gonna nip this one in the bud soon as time presented itself. Maybe smack her around and get her on the plane, really scare her type stuff.

        And this isn’t well known, but Logan wasn’t supposed to be in the square that night. She was supposed to go interview NDP party head Dr. Hossam that very night. I’m guessing all appointments got cancelled once Mubarek was resigning. And Logan then went to square on her own with her crew just to be there. And I mean, who wouldn’t want to go someplace like that right then, especially Lara Logan? That’s when the tools got her, and by then they had nothing to lose. And they instigated that mob and created that situation, the detonator for the bomb of Mubarek-types on the south-end of the square that blew up in Logan’s face. That’s my two cents.

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    • @paul

      I’m sure you’ve noticed this but… looking at the picture just prior to the attack, man, look at those dudes to the right in the picture (three or four of them) all wearing dark jackets fully muted expressions on their faces. They sort of look like cops; I mean, I don’t know if the mustache is common among cops in Egypt but these dudes are all between 21 and 40 and stocky and serious looking (aside from the guy in the back putting bunny ears behind Ms. Logan’s head). One of the guys might be touching her back.

      Then, look at the dude in the blue shirt on the left. He is pushing back one of the dudes in the black coats. He has his fist clenched like he’s threatening to hit him, like this group of guys just walked up together in a menacing manner and he’s telling them they better not start some shit. These are the guys, man. Those guys in the picture. No one has confirmed of denied it but look at those dudes. They all look shady.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358944/Lara-Logan-attack-Stripped-punched-whipped-flag-poles.html

      • Yeah, already been there done that. Got 1080P RAW and checked pic out. On hunch I checked out Logan’s filing from Alexandria to see if any faces from both crowds matched. There’s one dude in Alexandria crowd that looks real similar to little anxious-looking guy in Tahrir pic, but I don’t think they’re same peeps.

        I don’t read too much into the pic though other than that little guy on Logan’s left looking at the tall swarthy fellow on the far right. Looks like he’s talking to him with his eyes. But events like that are in motion and you can’t read too much into such things unless you see them moving though, you know? Plus, I don’t know if CBS would really tip a hand like that, they had four days to figure which pic – if any – they were going to release.

      • @nolife

        Okay. Sleeping didn’t work out so I came back to check in with you.

        Listen, man, this thread would have probably gone another five or ten posts (tops) without your intervention. If you were a friend of Lara or someone involved in intelligence gathering or someone from the media or anyone who mattered, you’ve have probably just let this thread die. Instead, you came in and started being an ass to everyone and causing trouble. I think, really, that means you probably don’t give a shit about anyone or anything but the sadistic pleasure you get from flaming.

        There is more than one of you? Really? How many nerds do you have there? Four? Five? Are you talking about your personality disorder? How many personalities do you have spinning around in there? You’re going to trace me? Really? Is that a scary thing? Does that scare other people when you say it? Has it ever scared anyone when you’ve said it before?

        “Get off Logan’s case, asshole.”

        I’ve spoken more positive things about Lara Logan in this thread than anyone has spoken about her anywhere. I like Lara Logan. I respect her. I am the one defending what she has said against the false claims that she’s manipulating the public. I’m the good guy. What does that make you? That’s right, no, not the bad guy, a complete idiot who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

        “No one is going to give a fuck if you go missing.”

        Come after me, kid. Come. See what happens.

      • That’s right. All of you. I’ll burn all your houses to the ground. Every last mother-fucking one of you. All of nolife’s boyfriends. You’re all going to die.

      • Awe! Come on, guys! Get a room! …Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • “kind of degenerated” ???

      You seriously can say that with a straight face after the sci-fi fucking novel you wrote at the very beginning of this litany of bullshit?

      The best posts in this thread come from ‘toxic’ and ‘al gore’. Oh yeah, and maybe some of the shit ‘russ’ and ‘octopius’ wrote.

      And who is this fucking ‘nine’ character???

      That dude is seriously a few planets short of a solar system. And by the looks of it, his sun looks to be seriously on borrowed time as well.

      Sorry Lara, someone obviously left the fucking door unlocked at the asylum.

      • Yeah, when there’s posters here talking about whips and chains and shit that’s what I call degenerated.

        And yeah, I’m dumb enough to write all my looney-tunes tin-foil hat shit about this.

        But you’re stupid enough to read it.

        Welcome to the food chain jackass.

      • Exactly.

        I read it.

        YOU wrote it.

        BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

      • “whips and chains”

        Man, Octopius called the fucking schizoid rambling asswipe for what he is, by herself.

        Where was your sorry ass when she was being confronted by him?

        Or do you just like writing about women after the fact?

        I see you are still buddies with him responding to everything the shithead has to say.

        You WEAK FUCK!

      • Fuck you, jackass. My posts in here have been perfectly reasonable and compassionate. You’re the loon.

      • Dude,

        You are a fucking psycho case!

        You seriously need fucking HELP!!!

        Do you actually read any of the shit you write???

      • @nolife

        Yea, I’ve read through some of it. Unlike you, I actually understood it. I’ve managed to expand the conversation from the two initial theories (rape, hoax), both based on fallacy, to a range of many possibilities. In no way have I degraded the conversation (seeing as how it was initially about brutal gang rape and public beatings) and I’ve said nothing you wouldn’t see on network television all day long. I’m just a mature adult discussing things I’m not afraid to talk about. If the things I’m talking about make you uncomfortable it’s because you’re not mature enough to handle it. Sorry, that’s just… true. Professional law enforcement officers, lawyers, doctors, etc. — professionals of all kinds — discuss things like this (as we are doing here) all day long without batting an eye. This is that type of conversation. Adults are talking. If you cant handle it, read other stuff.

      • Asshole!

        There is no need to get ‘wordy’ with me, as none of your fucking logic or rationale is going to wash with me.

        More than half the fucking posts in this thread have been made by using different names. It is EASY to tell!!!

        Do you get your KICKS talking about women being molested and raped?

        Do you, asshole?

      • Well, I am waiting asshole.

        Easy question to answer.

        Do you get your KICKS talking about women being molested and raped?

        YES or no?

      • @nolife,

        “There is no need to get ‘wordy’ with me, as none of your fucking logic or rationale is going to wash with me.”

        Exactly. You can barely read, let alone understand the things I’ve written. Any effort to explain it to you would requisite a full education and I’ve not got the time or the interest.

        I used the named “nine” and “dood” and “toxic”; that’s it.

        You, I’m sure of it, used the name “Octopius” for a while (pretending to be a girl), left, got bored, came back, and thought you’d try to defend yourself under your real persona: whiney geek pretending to be a tough guy on the Internets. Nobody’s buying it, man. I don’t know what interest you have in trying to bring an end to this thread (or claim it as your own) but you are severely misguided.

        Again, as I said below, your lame attempts at intimidation/ridicule are not going to have any effect. Keep yelling absurd profanity all day long; you’re not going to bother me. Nobody really cares what you do. Nobody here thinks you’re scary or gives a shit what you think about anything. What do you think you’re gong to do? Are we all going to “listen to reason” and stop talking about something we care about so you can go back to playing Call of Duty? Dude, nothing is stopping you. Go. Play. You don’t have to read any of this. If you don’t like what you see here, dur, do other stuff.

        “Do you get your KICKS talking about women being molested and raped?”

        Obviously not, seeing as how I contributed to the civil discourse in here rather than rolling in to troll on everyone and call people names like a dick.

      • Asshole!

        Why so many words?

        MORE THAN HALF the USERS posting in this thread are YOU?

      • “Ono! Many word! Can’t read!” ~ you

        I said the names I posted under. None of the other people writing out long rants are me; how much time do you think I have to be in here? Why would I disagree with myself and insult myself? Look, I get what you’re doing now. You want to pollute the thread with random back and forth nonsense to distract people from the actual content. I’m not going to help. The short of it is: I’m way smarter than you, I can kick your ass (100% sure of it) and my contribution to this thread was meaningful. You, you’re just some random dumbass who came in to cause trouble. You don’t matter. Nothing you say is going to matter. So, I’m going to bed. Have fun.

      • Asshole!

        What you may consider ‘smart’ most others would consider PSYCHOLOGICALLY FUCKING DERANGED.

        You have very limited fucking intellect, dude.

        I wouldn’t put a lot of faith in it, if I was you.

      • Asshole!

        This is the consistency of your fucking logic in two separate posts one after the other:

        On the one hand I am:

        “You, I’m sure of it, used the name “Octopius” for a while (pretending to be a girl), left, got bored, came back, and thought you’d try to defend yourself under your real persona: whiney geek pretending to be a tough guy on the Internets.”

        And on the other hand I am:

        “You, you’re just some random dumbass who came in to cause trouble.”

        As I said, you have limited fucking intellect. The octopius chick kicked your miserable fucking ass. You don’t like that do you? You only like it when women are victims. That’s your fucking thing, isn’t it?

        You have no idea who the fuck I am. I could be one of Logan’s friends; I could be one of octopius’s friends; I could be a friend of women; I could have stumbled on this fucking thread from the thousands of links that now exist over the internet; I could just about be anyone; but there are quite a few of me, and there is only ONE OF YOU.

        And if you think you can’t be traced if someone seriously wanted to get to you, think again.

        Get off Logan’s case, asshole.

        No one is going to give a fuck if you go missing.

      • Leave “nine” alone. He’s not done anyone any harm and maybe he meant you (Octopius/Nolife) were a random “dumbass” from the beginning (even while you were Octopius) and you were ALWAYS just some troll who came in here to cause trouble. Octopius didn’t kick anyone’s ass. She was a complete floozy.

        “And if you think you can’t be traced if someone seriously wanted to get to you, think again. Get off Logan’s case, asshole. No one is going to give a fuck if you go missing.”

        Spoken like a true psychopath. This guy has done nothing but defend Logan since he got here. You’re the one attacking people. Go fuck yourself.

      • Janet/Nine

        There is just ONE of you, asshole.

      • Okay. Sleeping didn’t work out so I came back to check in with you.

        Listen, man, this thread would have probably gone another five or ten posts (tops) without your intervention. If you were a friend of Lara or someone involved in intelligence gathering or someone from the media or anyone who mattered, you’ve have probably just let this thread die. Instead, you came in and started being an ass to everyone and causing trouble. I think, really, that means you probably don’t give a shit about anyone or anything but the sadistic pleasure you get from flaming.

        There is more than one of you? Really? How many nerds do you have there? Four? Five? Are you talking about your personality disorder? How many personalities do you have spinning around in there? You’re going to trace me? Really? Is that a scary thing? Does that scare other people when you say it? Has it ever scared anyone when you’ve said it before?

        “Get off Logan’s case, asshole.”

        I’ve spoken more positive things about Lara Logan in this thread than anyone has spoken about her anywhere. I like Lara Logan. I respect her. I am the one defending what she has said against the false claims that she’s manipulating the public. I’m the good guy. What does that make you? That’s right, no, not the bad guy, a complete idiot who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

        “No one is going to give a fuck if you go missing.”

        Come after me, kid. Come. See what happens.

      • Yeah,

        I’d like to see the ass go down as well.

        I’m sick of the shit he has been writing about Logan.

      • @nolife

        Anyone important would remember the days when just ONE of me was worth an entire ARMY of them.

      • Cool dude,

        I heard this was going down.

        I’ll fucking help get the ass

        Anyone know his ip address?

        Someone post it on the internet.

        Everyone is sick of this fuck.

      • @anus

        If I find out you followed me from here, that you’re people I know from where I live, I swear to all that is holy, no matter who you are, I will seriously tear you in half. This is not funny. This is not trolling. I care about this woman and I’ve been trying to defend her on here all week. I think this is very important. If this is someone I know personally, I don’t care if you think you are one of my closest friends, this will end it. I will literally beat your ass. Nothing will stop me and I mean come over right now because I am seriously going to rip you in half and I do not want to wait. If this is some random Internet troll then whatever. I don’t give a shit about some random douchebag. If my friends think this is funny, I do not want that kind of friend. If this is someone from the thread the other day (Zack, maybe), I will find out and I will go to jail for how bad I’m going to beat your ass. And, I mean that sincerely with everything I’ve got. Ask around. You’re as good as dead.

        I just wanted to throw that out there.

      • Oh Sweet man,

        Glad someone is putting it to this asshole.

      • Man this fuck just doesn’t get it.

        So many way to get an asshole

      • Hahaha

        Oh man, this fuck is totally clueless.

        He has no idea what can be done to him.

      • This is a woman I admire we’re talking about here. And, this is a serious situation. I will seriously find you and I will (irl) beat the shit out of you. Bring as many friends as you want; it will not help. If this is someone from town, you’re past apologizing. Your only choices are hide this shit and keep it a secret for all your goddam life or fucking get your ass beat and your arms and legs broken. I am not exaggerating. I will make iy so you never walk the same for the rest of your life.

      • Look at the ass.

        Already way out of his depth.

        And this only just begun.

        He just likes to talk about women being raped.

        That is all the fuck likes to do.

      • You have no idea what you’re bringing down on yourselves.

      • Hey Lex,

        You still online?

        Get this fuck, hey.

        Real braveboy when it comes to talking about women who may have been brutalised and raped.

        Just a fucking snivelling pussy when the chatter is about him

        Lex, chat to me on Skype. Ok?

        I really want to get this ass

      • Sure dude,

        Just give me a minute.

        I’m just ringing some of the guys about this ass

      • If this were some sort of 4-chan style invasion, you wouldn’t be talking to each other on here. You’d be IMing each other. I know this is fake. I know you’re just some lone fat guy in his basement thinking he’s some kind of legendary troll because he’s pwned some teenagers on wow or some shit. Look, tubby, in real life, if there were fifty of you, I’d bet on me to rip you all to shreds. But, seeing as how you’re probably not in the same tri-state area, whatever. I’m going to go make a sammich.

        Nobody is ever going to support you in an attack on me because all they have to do is read this thread to find out I’m the good guy and you’re the asshole. No worries. There’s nothing you can do to me.

        If you’re still around when I get back, I’ll make you look stupid again but I’m not going to waste my whole day doing this. I’ve got work to do. If that means you get the last word, fuck it. I sealed my place as a legend years ago. I don’t need to best some random nerd.

        But, look, I really care about Ms. Logan. Most people in this thread do. I’d appreciate it if you stopped being a prick and left this thread alone. Because, dude, it’s obvious that you know better than to actually think I’m the creep here. You’re doing this because you think it’s funny. I’m asking you to respect a woman who is in a lot of pain right now. Seriously. Just asking. Show some respect.

        But, if I find out you’re someone I know, I’m beating your ass. I swear to God. It’s happening.

      • Hey dude,

        Make sure you ring Shizz

        Man, he is one mean fucker.

        Really hates these assholes that like to talk about women being raped after his sister was raped.

        He will split this fucking dude open with one punch.

      • You never post again on this website, asshole.

        Get off Logan’s case.

      • *snore*

      • Dude,

        You are fucking clueless.

        You have no idea how this works.

      • Gargerts, get this comment:

        “But, if I find out you’re someone I know, I’m beating your ass. I swear to God. It’s happening.”

        How many laughs are we going to get out of this little squirm?

        Hope he keeps it up.

        So fucking funny.

      • Guys,

        You read some of the shit this ass has written about Logan?

        The dude is a total creep.

      • Razzer,

        Oh man, it’s bizarre the stuff this idiot has written.

        He must have been dropped on his head as baby from the top of the Empire State Building. There is no other way to explain it.

        But get this, he thinks he is a GOOD GUY!!!!

        How fucking sick in the head do you have to be to not realise that none of this shit he has been writing about Logan is what a decent person would do.

        Just a total fucking wackjob.

      • I just read this shit.

        Haven’t stopped laughing.

        I must have missed it when the fool posted it.

        I’m WARNING you, it’s fucking funny so don’t blame me if you die of hysterics:

        “This is a woman I admire we’re talking about here. And, this is a serious situation. I will seriously find you and I will (irl) beat the shit out of you. Bring as many friends as you want; it will not help. If this is someone from town, you’re past apologizing. Your only choices are hide this shit and keep it a secret for all your goddam life or fucking get your ass beat and your arms and legs broken. I am not exaggerating. I will make iy so you never walk the same for the rest of your life.”

      • Hahahahahahaha

        Oh man, that is fucking priceless.

        You know, I think I may cancel my subscription to the Comedy Channel.

        This is way fucking better.

        What do you think the chances are we can get a fool like this for each of us.

        Or do we have to keep sharing this idiot forever?

      • Alright, man, you guys asked for it. You can’t say I didn’t warn you…

        *kicks all of your asses*

        That was easy! Haha! I win!!

      • HEY GET THIS!

        This is what this asshole is really like.

        He has he created another identity as ‘Julia’ and posted the following comment. You can tell it his him because the syntax in how he words things is exactly the same. But this is just downright deceptive and vicious. But this is what this asshole is like:

        “Thanks for an invite to your Libyan blog, but possibly you are unaware that you have completely discredited yourself as a journalist with this blog. Creating a sensationalist blog to cast doubt on a fellow journalist’s sexual assault for your own self-serving purposes has made a pretty negative impression. Actually, there is an article written about your blog on mediate.com categorizing you as a “yellow journalist.” On the bright side, by exploiting the assault of a fellow journalist, you did get some attention for your blog.”

        If you don’t believe me checkout some other stuff the asshole has written and you will note the same syntax.

        Without any doubt it is definitely him.

        LOWLIFE doesn’t come much lower than this fucking asshole.

      • ONO! YOUS GUYS! I totally bet nine we’d have gay sex with each other if we lost the fight. I’m a goof!! *price is right fail music*

        *gay sexes everybody*

      • Awe! Come on, guys! Get a room! …Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      • Yeah man,

        You are definitely right.

        It is him alright.

        Man, I am fucking speechless.

        That is such a dirty trick to play on someone.

      • @Lexbian

        Actually, Julia has been posting on this thread for days, since before I was here. But, I totally agree with that she says there. Awesome post.

      • Hahahahahaha

        The fucking idiot would think that since HE IS JULIA.

        Guys, lets just hang back and enjoy this idiot for awhile.

      • Hey,

        You read that rape post by ‘joliveri’.

        That is him at the start of that as well.

        He is such a SICKFUCK, he writes compliments to himself from rape vicitms.

        The rest of it has been pasted in.

        TOTAL FUCKING SICK FUCK

      • Man,

        That is the sickest fucking thing I have heard in a long while.

        So he actually he had rape victim thank him?

        There is laws against that kind of shit, in fact, they are quite serious. He could easily do a couple years in prison for something like that.

        He has really put himself in the shit now.

        The fucking SICKO

      • Man,

        This ‘joliveri’ thing is really disturbing.

        I think he wrote the whole fucking thing himself.

        Who the fuck would do that??

      • So let me get this straight:

        He has IMPERSONATED A RAPE VICTIM

        and also extended SINCERE APPRECIATION TO HIMSELF AS A RAPE VICTIM.

        That is almost too incredible to fucking believe.

        Man, we need to get onto the authorities about this idiot straight away.

      • Yeah man,

        I agree.

        Lets get on to it.

        This NINE dude is the sickest fuck I have encountered in such a long time. But he is good buddies with that PAUL fucking idiot. The both of ‘em chat to each other about what happened to Lara Logan like there is no tomorrow.

        Both of ‘em are as bad as each other, I reckon.

        Anyway, lets start with this fucking NINE dude.

      • I was unaware that joliveri had thanked me for anything. Thanks for letting me know.

  102. Thank you for being brave enough to post this article. As someone who has been to Egypt many times and to Tahrir Square many times, I found the way the Logan story has been reported to be highly offensive and filled with lies. Logan herself said that Egyptian men go crazy when they “see a woman’s elbow”…how deeply offensive and completely out of touch with reality. No one gets gang banged in Tahrir Square, amidst millions of people – decent people who have been incredibly welcoming to Western media. What happened to Logan is similar to what happened to Anderson Cooper, period. Again, bravo Temoris.

    • You probably don’t think the holocaust happened either.

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  103. @emily

    What happened to Anderson Cooper was horrible. Also, Anderson Cooper says the crowd was trying to pull the clothes off his female producer and that it was a pro-Mubarak crowd. Just saying.

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  105. Hi everyone!

    I’m trying to read your comments but the thread is too long and we have little internet availability here. I’ve seen some people asking where I am. I am in Libya, terribly busy covering the conflict. Sorry I haven’t had time to reply.

    If you want to make sure, find a few of my stories from Libya (in Spanish) following these links:
    http://www.proceso.com.mx/rv/modHome/pdfExclusiva/88655
    http://ar.news.yahoo.com/s/28022011/59/n-world-1353829-benghazi-colaboran-construir-nueva.html
    http://www.proceso.com.mx/rv/modHome/detalleExclusiva/88655

    Cheers!

    • Man, if some of the comments on this thread are any indication of what is going on here in the West; you are safer over there. In fact, if I were you, I’d find a nice Libyan girl and settle down over there – too fucking scary here.

    • @temoris

      I wouldn’t waste your time reading the whole thread. No new statements have been issued. Nothing has changed. This has all been one big waste of time.

      @nolife

      Intimidation/ridicule might stop the pre-school kids you “date” from talking about controversial subjects but no one here cares what you think about anything. Keep the insults coming or crawl back in your hole or whatever. I’m still going to talk about whatever I feel like talking about. Ah, and, if, by chance, you’re Octavius come back to scold us… I got nothing. Don’t care.

    • I hope you’re alright in Libya Temoris. This thread is quite lively and gaining some notoriety it seems.

    • Thanks for an invite to your Libyan blog, but possibly you are unaware that you have completely discredited yourself as a journalist with this blog. Creating a sensationalist blog to cast doubt on a fellow journalist’s sexual assault for your own self-serving purposes has made a pretty negative impression. Actually, there is an article written about your blog on mediate.com categorizing you as a “yellow journalist.” On the bright side, by exploiting the assault of a fellow journalist, you did get some attention for your blog.

      • JULIA is NINE

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    • Témoris is NINE

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  106. I find it fascinating here how many are devaluing eyewitness testimony in a case where no other eyewitness testimony has yet been heard. As if their own fantasies-based-on-nothing, ash grudge agendas (in connection with those same fantasies) — are more important than eye witness testimony. Sure, he didn’t see everything. Most eyewitnesses don’t. But there is nothing like eyewitness testimony for figuring out what actually happened. So far, nothing is known, and this account is the first actually information I’ve seen about it. So what’ll it be, ladies, your commitment to your fantasies about what happened? Or some interest in what actually happened?

    • I choose to believe the statements Lara Logan herself has given through friends and colleagues to the press over the eye witness testimony of someone who saw practically nothing of the event. There is no fantasy involved in that. Many of us have discussed far reaching conjecture in order to keep the dialogue from settling on false assumptions but nobody here has claimed to know anything about what happened. Your admonition is unwarranted. But, thanks for your concern. The best to you and Temoris.

      • TEN is NINE

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    • Julian,

      I am sure I don’t need to tell you to ignore the comments of the asshole who has responded to your comments. ‘ten’ is ‘nine’. The asswipe can’t even keep up with the different names he keeps using.

      • @nolife

        You have no testicles.

      • YES I DO!!! I HAVE ALL OF MY TESTICLES!! SO MANY TESTICLES!!!

      • @nolife

        Just for the record, every time on this thread people have gone off on perversions or psychobabble you don’t see me in that thread. And as far as Octopius, why didn’t defend her? You seem to like wallowing in thread wars.

      • Because I am Octopius, Paul. I lied about having great tits. I’m bisexual.

      • TEN, (fake)NOLIFE, (fake)NOLIFE is NINE

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    • Temoris does have only eyewitness info about this event. And someone just getting beat for ’20-30′ minutes typically doesn’t survive. And there’s a vacuum of information about what happened to Lara Logan. And the very unique aspect of her getting deported by uniformed security services several days before.

      All other western journalists – every single one – that had trouble with regime it always started with street-goons. Logan’s previous experience in Egypt was only one where uniformed ‘Army’ directly arrested and deported Western journalists without any input from the street first. And Logan’s only western journalist who got jacked that bad, or got jacked much at all on Feb. 11th.

      Another weird thing is Logan was in Alexandria on her first trip, started having troubles with Army people there (camera guy getting marched back to hotel at gunpoint) and yet somehow got arrested in Cairo? Did she just teleport there or something from Alexandria? They must have driven from Alexandria to Cairo or something, been followed, and gotten arrested there. So just on her first trip there were relatively strange things going on. It is weird story and that is what piques my interest.

      What I have postulated here is agreeable with every fact or firm assumption I’ve come across, including what Temoris saw. Temoris saw her for ten seconds in a crowd. Everything else Temoris ‘saw’ was with somebody else’s eyes so-to-speak. Just like everybody else.

    • I agree on the value of testimony, but that value might prove limited if it goes against any known information. In the midst of all this discussion, one point seems to be missing. The Egyptian government – i.e. The Army – has not issued a statement of denial, or a statement of anything. If the events went down as Temoris’ witnesses described, then there was no attack. Egypt looks pretty bad on the international scale with this event, and for them to just “suck it up” and not issue a statement of clarifying that an attack did not happen strikes me as odd.

      The blackout on this event seems rather total – no one is talking about it, which again, would be odd if SOMETHING did not occur. One cannot say that CBS is manipulating the situation, as quite frankly, I do not think Egypt cares about CBS.

      So if the event has been created by CBS and Logan, why is Egypt willing to play the patsy?

      • Yeah, I think there’s some bad press here for Egyptian Army if story is told as it actually happened. I was thinking about that last night: What if what happened to Logan was Muslim Brotherhood? I don’t think that, but if it had been I would be guessing Egypt Army would be all over that one, talking up how bad the MB is and having excuse to round’em up and make’em away. Their silence – and the surrounding total silence – is almost kind of indictment of Egyptian Army at this point IMHO.

      • TOM is NOLIFE

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  107. Wow,

    Man, they are chatting about this thread on Facebook.

    No one likes what this fuck has been saying about Logan.

    Get him

    • This is a thread about a possible rape victim. You picked this thread to troll? Think about that for the rest of the day, chief. What are you doing with your life?

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  109. This is interesting development. Wonder if the Army will come clean? http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/337208

  110. ja nee, Lara, you always used your sexuality to get ahead.

  111. I read this thread a week ago when it had just started.

    For some reason, I didn’t like it, then.

    But now that it has been revealed it has been basically the SAME two or three people just posting under different names, it all makes perfect sense.

    I haven’t read it all, but what I have read is just astounding from this NINE person/dude/psychopath.

    Disturbing in the EXTREME!

    • That is entirely untrue. This was a serious discussion by adult and professionals until you launched your trolling campaign. Man, listen, this thread is a witness account to a possible rape. Quit trying to make it about you. What sort of mental disabilities must you have to come in here and try to make a serious conversation about rape and assault about you. I hope Homeland Security renditions your ass over this. I seriously do.

    • Either that or I hope you get hit by a truck.

    • @Essex

      I so agree.

      But for anyone who doesn’t want to be confronted with the disturbing rants of this NINE psychopath. Just start reading where ‘Nolife’ joins the thread.

      It can get a bit tricky because there are a few posts where obviously NINE has posted as ‘Nolife’.

      But it is not too difficult to workout which are the real posts from ‘Nolife’ because he posts once each to Témoris and Julian at the very end of the thread, and then only at the start where he suddenly appears on the scene. All the other posts using that name ‘Nolife’ are most certainly NINE. (Just goes to show how easy it was for him to use different names.)

      I must say, it really was clever deduction work by ‘Nolife’.

      In fact, quite amazing really.

      Anyway, it makes for a good read if you are able to discount the disturbing implications of it all.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @Masonic and Essex

        I just found it hilarious that at the very bottom of the thread after having read it all; there was PAUL and NINE posting to each other.

        The only TWO together exactly as had been described.

      • @Jack

        Yes, I didn’t want to say so in my post, but I pissed myself laughing when I read it.

        What is even more funnier, even though he has been TOTALLY EXPOSED, he is still in DENIAL.

      • Thanks for the support guys. It looks like he’s finally giving up now. Come over to my place and I’ll give you all a peak at my great tits.

        Let’s get Paul next! Haha!

      • @Masonic and Jack

        I decided to comeback and have a bit more of a read of what this psychopath had written when I stumbled on this post by ‘octopius’. It is about a third of the way down in the thread from the top.

        She writes this in response to someone asking her about Logan.

        “But rather than condemn her to an ordeal or fate worse – or better – than what she indeed experienced; an ordeal or fate unsubstantiated or uncorroborated by even a single shred of authenticated information, I prefer to live in hope things are better for her rather than surrender her plight to my worst fears.”

        That is just so good.

      • @Masonic and Jack

        lol… this idiot must think we are all as stupid as him.

        Ironically, now he is IMPERSONATING Octopius.

        It seems IMPERSONATING A RAPE VICTIM was not enough for him.

      • @Essex

        I thought that was so good I made a copy of it.

        You know, I really feel sorry for Témoris and all the genuine contributors on this thread. It is not too difficult to workout who they may be. But like, everyone of them were harassed by this psychopath using one name of another.

        A number of them were women, which is both sad and ironic considering the thread was to do with Lara Logan and what happened to her.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        I just read another instalment from this poster ‘russ’.

        It is just me or does anyone else think he also has a RAPE FETISH?

        Something not quite right going on there.

      • Sad and ironic like my life. Man, I need to get a job. *sigh*

      • Jack McCarrillick

        Shit! Did you see that! He impersonated you! I can’t believe it! Ooh, nine, you bettr stop impersonating my gay lover! *shakes fist*

      • @All readers

        I admit it, I have a RAPE FETISH

        I, also, admit I am most definitely the greatest SLIMBALL anyone could ever have the misfortune to meet – ever

        As disgusting as it is to also admit, I get really SO TURNED ON thinking about Lara Logan being GANG RAPED.

        I MASTURBATE all the time thinking about it.

        I am SICK.

        Just so SICK, SICK, SICK.

      • I only think that is the HALF of it.

        There is so much more he is not telling us.

        Lets wait and see if he comes totally clean.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        Me too. I love rape. It reminds me of my childhood. Those were the days.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @Essex

        Totally agree with you.

        There is heaps more he is not telling us.

        Lets wait.

      • I am nine years old. Wubbu baby goo goo…

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @ the OTHER Jack McCarrillick aka nine

        You are so fucking clueless, dude

        You can make ALL the fucking spurious posts you like using our names.

        YOU are the one that NEEDS to be here on this thread.

        We couldn’t give a fuck.

        BIG DIFFERENCE

      • I wish I gave a fuck or got a fuck or had sex at some point during my lifetime. If I knew how to talk to girls I wouldn’t have to resort to Internet trolling to get it up.

      • @Masonic

        Don’t you just find it so FUCKING FUNNY that none of his other names he uses are even bothering to chat with him like, WJ, Dood, Tom, Julia, LaraLoganTruth as well as all the others?

        He once used to have such sparkly conversations with himself using all these different names.

        I find it so hysterical.

      • @Essex and Jack

        I find it really odd that that ‘russ’ dude posted on this website today.

        He is definitely not OUR psychopath.

        But it is still strange he would bother posting considering the OBVIOUS DISREPAIR of the thread.

        Just has to be another one of the warped fucks who get their kicks from envisioning women in sexually violent circumstances when they are at their most vulnerable and helpless.

      • @Masonic

        I agree.

        That ‘russ’ dude still filing on this thread is quite odd considering its state of disrepair.

        Plain WEIRD!

      • Can it involve your mom?

      • Can what involve my mom?

      • DON’T TALK ABOUT HER! SHE’S A NICE LADY!

        I’ve never had sex with her ever…

        ever…

      • Someone’s got issues.

      • Hey Essex,

        I just got in.

        I noticed fuckfeatures isn’t sharing any of his vast knowledge about the Logan case with his demanding audience.

        What’s the story?

      • Hu? Sorry, I was beating off to Justin Bieber. Uh, I got nothing. he must be sleeping. Come over and play Call of Duty, dude. Bring condoms because my butt needs a good pounding. I’m male and so are you so we are gay.

      • Essex,

        For all you know, nine is a rape victim himself/herself. That would explain his/her interest in this case far more readily than the wild assumption that he/she has a rape fetish. How would someone having a “rape fetish” even occur to you? It’s more likely a reflection of your own closet perversions than anything else. It’s more likely that you have a rape fetish. That’s where you went with this right from the start. It’s either something at the forefront of your mind or something you think is funny to joke about. From your behavior I think it’s obvious that you are the guy in here most likely to rape someone. You think this is all a joke that a beautiful strong women got raped. You’re sick. I think it’s great these people aren’t afraid to say what everyone else is thinking and if they are men then seeing men write about rape like this is a first for me and discouraging it seems counterproductive.

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    • saystheTROLLtotheTROLL

      @fun and laughter

      SAYS THE TROLL TO THE TROLL

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      • I’m so glad the psychopath/Doodess chose to load up this video.

        It has been a real help in finding my place on the thread.

        SO thoughtful of him.

        Any of you guys know what the vid is about?

      • @All readers

        In addition,

        I, also, admit I like to go out of a night time and find stray male dogs so I can SUCK on their COCKS.

        I just LOVE the way the HOT JIZZ flows down my throat when they CUM.

        I am SICK!

        Just so SICK, SICK, SICK!

      • @nine

        That is not an admission.

        We had already picked you for a DOG COCK SUCKING fucking perve.

        Sorry, that one doesn’t count.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @Essex

        Good call.

        I was going to say the same thing.

        Who the fuck does he think we are?

        Plain as day he SUCKS DOGS COCKS.

      • Okay guys, I accept that.

        I just didn’t know if it was that obvious I liked to suck dogs cocks.

        But tell me, if an annual award exists for the DUMBEST ASSHOLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET, do you think I have a good chance at winning this year?

      • Jack McCarrillick

        No. I’ve got you by a mile, dude. You’ve got no chance.

        And, again, dude, I’m kind of the authority on sucking dog cock so I had you pegged for that already. I know my kind, if you know what I’m saying. …I’m saying that I suck a lot of dog cock. So… again, anything new you want to confess? Anything we don’t know already?

      • Jack McCarrillick

        HOORAY,

        The fucking idiot is back.

        So glad he chose to impersonate me this time.

        Makes me feel kind of special.

        I can’t wait for this to begin.

      • Something you don’t know about me…hmmm…

        Can it involve your mom?

      • @Jack

        How lucky are you, dude?

        I was hoping he would impersonate me.

        Oh well, can’t have everything, but lets see what the fucking dickhead has to write about Lara this session.

        Jack, do you want to play a game?

        The game is, who will be the first poster, that is, what name will he use first?

        Get it?

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @Essex

        Excellent idea.

        Okay, I will email my selection to you.

      • @jack

        Do you ever say “HOORAY” irl?

      • @All readers

        In addition,

        I, also, admit I like to play SPLASH GORDON with my penis in the bath.

        I have so much FUN getting an ERECTION in the bath and then hitting the water with my penis as hard as I can to make the biggest splash.

        I am SICK!

        Just so SICK, SICK, SICK!

      • I won’t dispute that one. No comment.

      • Oh dude,

        that is so fucking tame it was hardly even worth mentioning.

        Same as SUCKING DOG COCKS, doesn’t really count as an admission.

        You need to tell us what you really get up to you perverted fuck?

      • Hey Jack,

        You ever wonder where all the people who liked the shit this idiot was writing about Logan have gone.

        He was providing such an important community service which everyone appreciated according to him, you would think we would have heard a few objections from some of them by now about keeping this asshole away from his all important work.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        @Essex

        Man, I can hardly keep up with all the fucking complaints.

        Like, this idiot was doing indispensable work, which only he knew how to do.

        You have remember Essex, he is a MASTER ANALYST.

        The thing that surprised me most in all of this is CBS didn’t put him on the first plane out to Cairo when all this shit went down.

      • Actually, this thread was winding down already. No new reports have come out. Just me and Russ talking up there and Paul doing something down there. Then you guys came along and cheered everyone up with your circus clown show. I figure everyone else is doing what I’m doing, actual stuff in the actual world. Also, it’s only been a few hours since other people have posted; it seems longer to you because you posted about fifty times in that time span.

        I’m going out today and doing actual stuff. I probably won’t come back in here unless I reas some new report or something. I don’t think my input here was super important or anything but I do think this thread was mildly important to a few people.

        Peace.

      • Jack McCarrillick

        Udubba! Ubbu uuuh DONG!

      • STUPID MONKEY!

      • Jack,

        You still agreed this dude is a potential rapist?

        And, wasn’t Razzer who said he knew somebody that lived in the same tri-state area as this dickhead?

        Man, if I were dude, I would not be walking the streets on my little ol’ lonesome anytime soon. There are a lot of people who seriously want to do this asshole harm.

        I don’t think it really matters what he says his future participation in this thread is going to be. The damage has been done.

        He has treated Ms Logan with the upmost disrespect; he has harassed women in this forum; he been rude and objectionable to practically everyone who has participated on this thread; has made the most insulting accusations to and of people, and using so many different identities in doing it; he has impersonated women; he has impersonated rape victims; he has been insulting and rude of Témoris; the list almost endless, and top of all that, he hasn’t been really nice to either of us.

        But Jack, I honestly feel this dude is a potential rapist, something really needs to be done about him.

        No one is going to miss him; he is an asshole.

        What do you think?

      • Jack McCarrillick

        Did you mean to say, “if I were this dude”?

        As far as what you ask, I’ve got other things on at the moment to give it much though, but I think it is a fairly convincing case if I ever saw one.

        And there is no doubt this asshole is a potential rapist.

        But, I am going to have get back to you on it

        Okay?

      • Jack,

        Don’t sweat it, we’ve got plenty of time.

        I think?

        Because he thing is Jack, did we send the information to Razzer already, you know, his ip, isp, isp account details, his house address, because I really can’t remember whether Lex was going to do it straight away or not.

        Things may go down before we even come to a firm decision on this thing with this asshole.

        But anyway, I understand you are busy, so get back to me on it when you have the chance.

        Just don’t leave too long. OK?

        Hate for something to happen to this asshole in the meantime.

      • Aren’t you guys afraid of getting raped when you come after me? Seeing as how I’m a “potential rapist” you’re all three such giant vaginas?

      • Hey Essex,

        I just got in.

        I noticed fuckfeatures isn’t sharing any of his vast knowledge about the Logan case with his demanding audience.

        What’s the story?

      • Hey Masonic,

        No, he is pretending not to be here.

        He said he had all this important shit to do in life, you know, people to see and places to go, but he really is just sitting at the computer.

        I can’t image why he is neglecting his demanding audience.

        You would think if he had any respect for his audience he would be busily posting away on this thread, you know, since so many people are dependant on his analysis of things.

      • Hey,

        Did any of you guys read any of the shit he wrote in that diatribe of bullshit in the post below?

        This bit just cracks me up:

        “If it were any other type of thread, I might stick around to decimate the intruders…”

        Man, I am so glad he restrained himself from decimating us. If his notion of decimation is the same as his “…moving on, getting back to [his] life and [his] business” we could have been in absolutely no fucking fear of anything whatsoever.

      • Man, I know I am relieved.

        How much of a FAILURE do you think this fucking asshole must feel he is now?

        Like, he has TOTALLY let Ms Logan down now. After all, he was doing all this for her. As he said in that same post, “it’s about offering support for a brave journalist”

        Man, that just must be the worst feeling to have the entire world pay witness to what a fucking gutless-snivelling-pathetic-little-weak-pussy-of-an-asswipe, I, as a human being, turned out to be, in the end. You know, that I had TOTALLY FAILED Ms Logan when she needed me most.

        Man, that must be just devastating for him.

      • EPIC FAIL!!!!!

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        Just cracks me up.

      • Oh man,

        EPIC FAIL on an EPIC SCALE!!!

        Where do you think that fucking PAUL idiot asshole got to?

        When you look back on this thread, up until he posted that fucking sci-fi fucking novel about what happened to Logan, you could pretty much well say the thread had been geared to reasonable enquiry with regards to the implications Témoris’s article had in context to everything else that was known at the time.

        But after the dickhead posted that bullshit. The whole thing disintegrated into a frenzy of speculation and supposition. He changed the entire tenure of enquiry into the account of events given by Témoris. Turned the whole fucking thing into a circus.

        And the fucking idiot thinks he is an educated man.

        Prize fucking numbnuts more like it.

      • I agree.

        But I don’t think even he was aware he was being roped along by this NINE psychopath. This dickhead was posting with multiple identities from the very beginning. And in almost every instance he used two or more identities to gang up on a legitimate contributor.

        Made it almost impossible for anyone to say less than they wanted because they had to first counter all the shit this idiot was throwing into the discussion and at them from the various multiple identities he was using. And you tell where people obviously felt the need to bring up their defences against this idiot by whatever means they thought best. Especially the women who posted on this thread. The asshole literally ganged them. Fucking ironic don’t you think considering the topic in discussion.

        I’m sure even this PAUL dude would be mightily fucked off to know he was being pawned in the way he was by this asshole.

        So, who knows how this thread would have unfolded had OUR RESIDENT PSYCHO not been present.

      • I’m still scared. Do you think he’ll come back? I’m going to go pee.

      • Don’t worry. As long as he isn’t some kind of hacker or space ghost we can keep slandering him and pretending like we did a good thing here all we want without him doing anything to us. Even though it’s obvious that we were just self-absorbed rat fuckers that could give a shit about Lara Logan or anything but showing off to 4chan. I mean, come on, our posts are entirely idiotic. It’s obvious none of us are out of high school.

        Are you back from peeing yet? Mason?… Mason, I’m scared.

        Mason!?

        Uhuh… I made a poop.

      • Shhh shh shh, settle down you two. I have a great tit for each of you. That’s right. Come to mama. Suck my teet. It’s good for you. That’s right. Yes. Good boys. Suck it all in so you can grow big and strong and no one can ever hurt you. Don’t be afraid of the big bad nine. He can’t hurt you now. Mama is here. Mama’s here. Good boys.

      • Wuu waaaaaaaaaa *suck suck suck*

      • @the real Essex

        “So, who knows how this thread would have unfolded had OUR RESIDENT PSYCHO not been present”, you ask?

        So glad we got called in to deal with him.

        I just LOVE IT when these assholes have had their ASS WHIPPED and they still persist.

        It just keeps GETTING FUNNIER.

      • Hey Masonic,

        You remember when he said this:

        “I will find out and I will go to jail for how bad I’m going to beat your ass. And, I mean that sincerely with everything I’ve got. Ask around. You’re as good as dead.”

        So, let me ask you Masonic, are you dead yet?

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      • Dead? No.

        But I am HEART BROKEN he was’t SINCERE!

        Hahahahahahahhahahaha

      • “I just LOVE IT when these assholes have had their ASS WHIPPED and they still persist. It just keeps GETTING FUNNIER.”

        *looks at the camera with a raise eyebrow*

        Ironic, isn’t it? I’ve owned these guys from the get-go but they think if they keep claiming they have the upper hand someone will believe it. Even though no one is even reading this but their friends… who already know how bad these guys have failed at trolling. lol

        “It’s poop again! Don’t tell me my business, devil woman! You’re all going to die!”

      • @Essex

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      • We are his bitches. It’s obvious.

      • @nine

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      • I AM A GAY! I’M LIKE FIVE GAY!

      • I AM THE ENTIRE GAY! ALL OF IT!

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      • Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      • Hey Essex,

        How OFTEN have we seen these fucking assholes behave this way after they have had their ASS WHIPPED.

        They ALWAYS end up thinking this was just a FLAME WAR only to start doing to the thread the EXACT THING they didn’t want to happen to it.

        Man, this asshole was SO EASY to put out of action.

        SO FUCKING EASY!

      • EVERY TIME!

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      • Jack McCarrillick

        LOSER!

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      • Actually, nothing I’ve written on here has been changed one bit, it’s all still there, and you’ve done nothing to diminish the value of this thread. People can just scroll past your nonsense and read the parts that matter. No one serious has been discouraged from participating. You’ve achieved nothing… except maybe bringing more attention to thoseof us contradicting the Temoris theory when, at one time, only his original post was of interest. The more you troll, the longer I keep this going, the better it is for my cause.

        My cause? Validating the CBS account, the Lara Logan account, of these events and not letting some group of conspiracy theorists try to turn the 15 second testimony of Temoris into some kind of excuse to portray the survivors of this incident (or CBS, the CIA, the government, whoever) as the villains. It’s exceedingly obvious that neither Lara Logan, CBS or the U.S. government has participated in any distortion of this event. It was a vicious and brutal attack on Ms. Logan and should be treated as such. Blaming Islam, Egypt or the revolution might not have merit (especially if her attackers were pro-regime) but neither has blaming CBS or Ms. Logan or trying to portray her as having some… imagined motive to blow this thing out of proportion. Lara Logan is as fine a reporter as we’ve seen in this generation and she deserves both the benefit of the doubt and much much more respect than thugs like you are offering her. I will defend her till the day I die.

        You’ve done nothing to take away from anything I’ve said in here. I sincerely doubt anyone with half a brain will take any of your posts seriously. And, come on, we all know you are a single troll. We all know you don’t have anyone’s IP address or information and you’re not a hacker. We all know you weren’t “called in” to participate in this thread. We all know that irl, I’d beat the living shit out of you in a fight. You’re just some random pubescent attention whore with too much time on his hands who got upset when nobody believed he was a super hot Australian journalist with “great tits” and started a flame war, not realizing you were picking a fight with a bigger and better troll… and you got schooled. I kicked your ass. End of story.

        I’m still posting on here, same as before. Others are. Nobody gives a shit what you do. You don’t matter. If anything, your a welcome distraction from the seriousness of the main topic. you are comic relief. Rather, me bitch slapping you repeatedly for trolling is the comic relief. You suck at trolling.

        I mean, theere’s just “one” of me, right. And, there are “many” of you. And, I still overwhelmed you, schooled you, wrote better material, etc. I made you look stupid. I won. It’s over. *shrug*

        I mean, keep playing, keep putting quarters in the machine, but I’m going to bitch slap you every time. You can’t win. It’s just not possible. I mean, if you were better at this than what you’ve shown so far… you’d have probably led with that, right? You’ve got nothing. You’re just a whiney little baby troll, not a hacker.

        I’ll ask you again, dude, leave this thread alone, leave me alone, leave Ms. Logan alone. Go back to playing with your joystick. I’m asking because that’s what I think would probably make the most sense. But, whatever, keep it going if you want. It doesn’t matter. You don’t matter.

        Stay in school, kid. Make a difference with your life. Don’t let this failure define you. There are bigger and better things. You can do it. *thumbs up*

      • Jack McCarrillick

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        Awe, I’m a dick. *sigh*
        :(

      • Cheer up, Jack. Remember when he said stay in school? Focus on that. We’ve got our whole lives ahead of us and the future looks bright… so bright we’ve got to wear shades… remember? Like when we wore shades having gay sex? Everything is going to be alright.

        *skips down the sidewalk*

      • Jack McCarrillick

        Hey Essex,

        Did you read any of that?

      • That’s the spirit!

        *proud grin*

      • NO!

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      • Jack McCarrillick

        NOR ME!

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      • jay and silent boob

        @Jack, Essex

        You two got spanked …like Lara Logan.

        Too soon?

      • NO WILL ANYONE ELSE!

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      • @Masonic

        “NO WILL ANYONE ELSE!”

        Exactly. Nobody is reading what you guys are saying. They are just scrolling past it to what the adults are saying.

  112. Thankyou Lara Logan:

  113. I feel like this thread as a whole has contributed positively to the quelling of the more outrageous rumors and prejudices circulating the blogosphere. Though, at times, detailed suppositions and expositions were written (potentially misguided at times) for the sake of argument, most of what has been written here has been in sincere support of Ms. Logan and her causes. None of this (any of it that I can tell) was meant to embarrass or hurt Ms. Logan in any way (with the exception of the hoax video posted by the “fat boy” which was brought to light and discredited). I think, I can safely assume everyone here wishes Ms. Logan well. In addition, the following conclusions can be drawn from these discussions:

    1. The Temoris account, though compelling and informative, does not successfully dispute the CBS account. Te public at large remains unable to conclude just what happened that night outside of the fact that Ms. Logan was attacked by someone and at some point dragged past Temoris but that she is now safe at home with her family. Maybe that’s all we’ll ever know or need to know. The rest is really none of our business.

    2. The attackers were more likely to have been pro-regime than pro-revolution (possibly even pro-regime officials) but this attack should not reflect poorly on the revolution in Egypt or the revolutions it has inspired which are now spreading across the Islamic world today. Most Americans wish great success to the free citizens of the Islamic world vying for democracy.

    3. No further conclusions can be made without more information.

    In light of those three conclusions and the recent influx of a less mature and less compassionate element into this thread (nolife, anurras, xeon, razzer, lex, gargerts, jack mccarrillick, etc. — all, presumably, the same person using alias after super-lame alias; suspiciously associated with a spurned poster from last week named octopius), I think it’s time for me to back away from this thread. If it were any other type of thread, I might stick around to decimate the intruders but Ms. Logan deserves better. This thread is not about me or these trolls or Temoris vs. CBS; it’s about offering support for a brave journalist who did, in fact, get attacked this week.

    So, I’m moving on, getting back to my life and my business. I’ll check back if further details emerge. Until then, good luck and safe travels to Temoris and his colleagues in Libya. Apologies to anyone offended by my candor. My condolences to those feeling confused and left in the dark. Thanks to anyone who appreciated my arguments. And, finally, I hope “nolife” finds his game controller (i.e. pacifier) soon. Later.

    • @nine

      You have a RAPE FETISH.

      Of course, it is going to be business as usual for you.

    • Dude! STFU! Enough is enough. We’re assholes for ever coming in here and that’s obvious now. I’m setting up a raid in WOW; log in and meet me at the spot.

    • STFU NEWB! Just get your gear on and work up an appetite for epic loot.

      • OOOH! OOOH! EPIC LOOOOOOOOT!

      • (fake)ESSEX and (fake)ASSWIPE is NINE

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    • DOODESS is NINE

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  114. LaraLoganTruth

    Okay, this appears to be an interesting development.

    A web-user named Richard Bridge on the official “Apology to Lara Logan” Facebook page, has provided some details re what actually happened. Quote –

    “The incident initially started with verbal abuse by local women against all journalists present. A camera belonging to a German film crew was damaged, a lot of pushing and shoving started, Lara and her crew became separated, her sound recording engineer witnessed the assault on Lara but was unable to reach her.

    He said she was pushed into what looked like a bus shelter. She was surrounded by about eight men, two held her and she was quickly stripped naked and repeatedly groped. A number of these men took lurid self gratification, he confirmed three or four other men carried out penetration, of these two seemed quite old.

    At no point was an attempt made to stop them. There was a report that local women intervened, no one can confirmed this. It was a technician from a Dutch news channel who notified soldiers standing nearby, they intervened after about 25 minutes.

    Lara is a strong person, it will take considerable time to get her over this.”

    http://www.facebook.com/Apology.to.Lara.Logan

    • @LaraLoganTruth

      Hello nine

      roflmao

    • on the surface, this could be possible, however, I think this account adds even more murkiness to the whole affair. We have two teams, a German team and a Dutch team in the vicinity, as well as an eyewitness – her sound engineer.

      I have been curious what happened to Lara’s crew through all this, and I have been going with the theory she was pulled out of sight, which must have been frightening as hell for the crew, especially if people are shoving, punching, and shouting. If the Sound Engineer saw the assault, and was unable to assist, that means he was either fighting for his own life in a mixed melee or he could not get through because of the press of people. Either way, not a cool situation for him, and I am going with the theory he is not talking out of respect for his team-mate – letting her call the shots on how this is relayed, or because of a gag order put down by CBS. I have experience with the tight bonds that develop in small teams, so I am thinking the former over the latter. I hope he is getting services, because that must have well and truly sucked.

      But what about the German and Dutch teams? Again – we have no information from either country about what went down that night – this is the first we have heard there were other teams that close to her. If the Dutch technician alerted the military, the Dutch team knows what happened. Why the silence? Why the complete lack of any kind of follow-up?

      This is what puzzles me – if nothing happened, then there are a host of journalists and governments perfectly happy with letting this story grow, with people being cast in an extremely negative light – and being perfectly happy with that.

      The silence is indicative that something Bad happened, but I do not understand why the foreign press is not pursuing this or making any kind of statement by eyewitnesses such as the Dutch.

      • @Tom

        Hello nine

        roflmao

      • I am curious how Richard gained this information – knowing who his source might be could help establish credibility – until that source is known, I think I am more inclined to put this story in with the “questionable material” folder

      • @Tom

        So am I

        Check it out for me will you

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      • I don’t think this account is valid at all. It might be but… scroll through the “sorry lara logan” communities (there are at least half a doen) on FB or look around in comment streams to articles and you’ll see a great many people claiming to have been there or seen something. Most of the accounts are very obviously fake. Some are superficial accounts: “I was in the crowd and no way did that happen!” None are reliable.

        I wonder, from the original post, how many of the accounts Temoris quotes are from the Internet. Aside from his friend Ferky, it’s unclear if any of the other accounts are even stories he’s heard in person. He even lists some of them as being posts on his FB wall or from online communities. Naming the supposed witnesses doesn’t add validity to their claims if you’re just reading their name off their FB after seeing something they posted online.

        I’m questioning all of these online sources. These people might as well be anonymous and none of them have any connection to Ms. Logan and her crew. I suspect Temoris uses the term “friend” liberally. Aside from “Ferky” (whom he may have met only once or twice for all we know), there are no long and trusted relationships described between him and his sources for these flippant accounts.

      • @watchman

        Hello nine

        Please feel free to write more shit no one is EVER going to read.

        roflmao

      • @Asswipe

        You are 100% correct Asswipe, it is me nine.

        I’m such a fucking COCKSUCKER for thinking this is fooling anyone.

      • Cocksucker? Mmmmmmmm just my type.

      • @Asswipe

        How much of a total and absolute fucking moron do you think I am to think that any of this shit is fooling anyone, or now even care that it is known the entire thread has basically been written by me using different names?

        The way I figure it: it is a goddamn fucking miracle I can even fucking breathe I am so damn fucking close to having no reliable fucking thought processes functioning.

      • Blrrrrr blrp blp duuuuu drp!

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      • Person posting as “asswipe”: looks like a safe guess nine wrote something that really pissed you off. I didn’t see. What did he do that got you so worked up?

      • TOM’s, WJ, and an (fake)ASSWIPE is NINE

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  115. “Proof” is another matter, but just to be on the record, I have no idea who Paul or nine are beyond this thread, and I have posted under no ID other than WJ. So there’s someone else who’s interested for you. Label that interest as you wish, but some interpretations would be wrong.

    Also, I’ve found Paul’s and nine’s input thoughtful and in a number of instances illuminating. I appreciate the analysis, whether they’re a them or a he’s a he. Or a they’re a them who believe they’re a he. Or, “they’re” a they but. I need a Tylenol.

    Those who think deeply and share their ruminations are typically ridiculed for it. Especially so if any elements under examination would cause discomfort for the average 10-year-old.

    • @WJ

      Hello nine

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    • WJ is NINE

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  116. LaraLoganTruth

    I guess the next step is to locate this “bus shelter” near the central roundabout..

    • @LaraLoganTruth

      I wonder if this is nine?

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  117. LaraLoganTruth

    Okay, this appears to be an interesting development.

    A web-user named Richard Bridge on the official “Apology to Lara Logan” Facebook page, has provided some details re what actually happened. Quote –

    “The incident initially started with verbal abuse by local women against all journalists present. A camera belonging to a German film crew was damaged, a lot of pushing and shoving started, Lara and her crew became separated, her sound recording engineer witnessed the assault on Lara but was unable to reach her.

    He said she was pushed into what looked like a bus shelter. She was surrounded by about eight men, two held her and she was quickly stripped naked and repeatedly groped. A number of these men took lurid self gratification, he confirmed three or four other men carried out penetration, of these two seemed quite old.

    At no point was an attempt made to stop them. There was a report that local women intervened, no one can confirmed this. It was a technician from a Dutch news channel who notified soldiers standing nearby, they intervened after about 25 minutes.

    Lara is a strong person, it will take considerable time to get her over this.”

    http://www.facebook.com/Apology.to.Lara.Logan

    • @LaraLoganTruth

      Getting rattled are you dude?

      You just made this post

      roflmao

      • Does he look rattled? He’s making us look like retards. Face it, we got stomped. You were an idiot to drag us all here. Let’s go try to the mall and try on some women’s underwear like Friday night. Remember? You looked so cute. Yes you did. You did. Yes you did. Goochi goo. Goo goo goo. You’re so cute.

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  118. LaraLoganTruth

    I guess the next step is to locate this “bus shelter” near the central roundabout..

    • @LaraLoganTruth

      Got the shakes have you dude?

      roflmao

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    • Can’t deny that’s interesting.

      Still, sheds no light on whether tenets of fundamentalist Islam impelled Lara Logan’s assailants.

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  119. “[Logan's] tough as nails and a very tenacious woman and I have no doubt she will be thinking about coming back,” she told the newspaper. “But CBS has to sit back and ask: ‘Will she become a target?'”

    Leissner said Logan had once been “roughed up” in Baghdad and left with broken teeth and a bloody mouth, but carried on with her work.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/following_attack_reporter_former_X4WK8V1F1lAjTJePpikvQI

    • @nine

      Ohhhhh POOR BABY down here at the bottom of the thread making his LITTLE posts.

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      • I didn’t know she’d been beaten up in Iraq. I think it goes to show how tough she is as a reporter and a person.

      • @nine

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